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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves



    Not quite. They denied Lord Voldemort's return but they reacted to established events - Cedric's death, the prison break at Azkahban, disappearances of various people - by engaging in a campaign of scapegoating. They didn't deny these events, they re-directed blame for them to other members of magical society who they differed with.

    Saying that I and posters who object to restrictions are analgous to the Ministry is just 'I know you are but what I am' talking back.

    Am I a Minister who has issued a series of decrees on behaviour and movement? No, I am not. The parallels such as a series of 'emergency decrees' and an Irish mammy riled up by the media were so specific and so striking that I was laughing when I saw the film and decided to mention it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pay walled article? You didnt even look, did you. But do continue to ignore that the fact that excess deaths, at their lowest estimate, are more than double the recorded deaths completely destroys the contention that there are large scale over-recording of deaths that would have occurred anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Whether it's nearly as bad or as bad or worse as is perceived is all subjective.

    Are you claiming that emergency pyries for cremation were not built ? That the high death figures in India are fabricated, that emergency oxygen wasn't needed to be flown into India from the rest of the world , and that doctors, anesthesis , consultants etc were lying about the scale of the disaster? The scale of which was disastrous.

    If no and you're just saying some photos are fake then OK. I'm sure some tiny sample of people maybe or maybe dying from the vaccines is the bigger crime and we should not have approved them despite the death rates plummeting due to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,342 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,342 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Speaking of a beautiful minds, are you always this hysterical posting misinformation or are you just extra paranoid on Thursdays? It's pretty embarrassing that "fact" you posted earlier. You own source even debunked it 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    You booked a holiday in a place with a tighter lockdown than Ireland?


    Seems about right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,342 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    It was a present and I'd say your grinning ear to ear that it fell through on me



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I get why you dont see it, but the entire premise was around an event occurring which had the potential to have a significant impact of the lives of those interacting with the "ministry" and was a threat to the existence of the ministry itself. The ministry choose to deny the existence of the problem and implement a pogrom against those who want the issue tackled rather than tackle it head on. More akin to US republicans and Bolsonaro



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Your posting history isn't exactly what you would call the product of a calm mind either if we're being totally honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I'm not accusing you of being a Helen Lovejoy cause I'm not familiar with your posts or only vaguely.

    Just on the point about New York:

    There was a big jump in deaths in NY for a time but if you Google "new york state coronavirus deaths" - I can't save the image but you'll see a chart of deaths - the crisis there was mainly from March 2020 to June 2020. There's another mini-peak in January 2021 and then another mini-peak in January 2022 which its not clear is very worse than a normal cold and flu season.

    I wasn't comparing vaccine deaths and covid deaths just saying that if we downgrade a correlation between a death and something in one context we should be aware that other deaths are recorded essentially as correlations in other contexts.

    The question of correlation between covid infection and death has been answered in a roundabout way by taking an estimate of excess deaths from The Economist and 'doing the sums' - subtracting deaths from the total. This seems to me like an accounting trick. It now becomes a matter of combining two sets of numbers taken at face value rather than scrutinising how deaths were recorded.

    We know the method of recording deaths relies heavily on correlation between incidental infection and passing away - including cardiac issues. We also know the average age and condition of death from covid (the very old and very sick). We also know respiratory illnesses are the commonest cause of the death in the world among elderly people. So how can we - how can anyone - believe 5 million people died who still had a span of time ahead of them? I don't believe it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Fair play to Paul Reid for giving out the numbers on incidental cases. He states very clearly incidental means asymptomatic AND infectious patients. Contrast that to the CMO who said 5% for incidental cases with the definition asymptomatic and 'non-infectious'.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Fair play ? They couldn’t collate that data from March 2020 taking the piss more like.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,296 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Sweat pumping out of him, I hope they have CO2 monitors in the press conferences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Breaking news from polish polish scientists have decovered a gene varent In dna make up of polls witch has resulted in persons who carry the gene are twice as likely to require hospital ventilation.

    14% of polish people carry this gene witch is 5 times higher than the European average.

    A simple blood test will be made available that targets the gene.

    Enabling targeting of persons most at risk to avail of vaccination.

    This is the fist confirmation of a gene found in Europeans that increases the risk from covid.

    All sintific papers have been shard with ecd and who.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased




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    Is it a surprise to anyone that incidental covid in hospital is high when covid in general is high? Statistics on this are not easy to trace, but pre pandemic there was approx 3.5m bed days in Irish hospitals and and average stay of 5.8 days so by my estimate thats 1,653 new patients per day on average. If we have 7 day average of 22,000 cases per day and people test positive for at least 5 days and we miss 50% of cases there could be 200,000 people positive for covid right now. 4% of the population. 4% of 1653 is 66. So today you would on average expect 66 incidental covid cases in hospital . Yesterday there was 170. 66/170 = 39% incidental. Some of those would of course have been both ill with covid and their underlying illness.

    Now, do the same maths for Jan 12th 2021 there there were 209 new hospital cases and 6.5k cases per day and you would have expected 20 incidental admissions, or 9.6%



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Messi19


    No surprise at all. The more transmissible covid gets the more you'll expect it to spread within a hospital setting. All it takes is one nurse/doctor to infect a whole ward.

    What was surprising was the CMO and his 95%. Completely disingenuous comment and a poor attempt to gaslight against all common sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Where does he " very clearly " state that ? Not in that clip .

    What he states is that the numbers he is talking about are both asymptomatic and infectious alright, but not that that is the "meaning of incidental ".

    And he also states that this number has risen considerably from what it was with Delta x 3 .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CMO was using a different definition which is the meaning of incidental generally used in public health .

    The fact that the HSE are using a broader definition gets lost in translation here , and leads to accusations of lies from the CMO ., which is neither fair nor correct .

    One could argue that the HSE are giving incorrect figures , as infectious patients are not strictly " incidental " , but in fairness Paul Reid does not mention the word , but just the fact that they are asymptomatic and admitted for something else ,and that these patients are infectious .

    So this situation being clarified will still be used as a stick to beat a public servant with one way or another it seems .

    It's a no win situation really .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    How is a patient who happens to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 but who does not have symptomatic Covid and only finds out about it via a test unrelated to the reason they present in hospital not an incidental case? I’d really like to see the source of the definition generally used in public health because at the moment this looks like an extraordinary claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Hmm, not sure about this.

    lots of points could be made but loads of people don’t seem to be too bothered about their obese kids yet it’s masks, masks, masks etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    18,904 new cases, 1,011 in hospital and 92 in ICU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Cork2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    So one last attempt to be fair and civil even though I’m not receiving the same in return. Who I was actually referencing which I have told you already btw.

    You mentioned not bothering to read my posts, which is fair enough, I don’t read, engage with, respond or quote yours either, if you did though you would have noticed I’ve mentioned, referenced and quoted the bold olive a few times. Hence the fact I’ve referenced “on Twitter, not so much here” in my original post

    Now scroll up this twitter feed and 24 hours ago or so you will see reference to NPHEt being told what to say etc etc, again what I referenced in my post, which coincided with me reading it and posting what I did!

    So what’s most likely here. The fact when I reference twitter in my post, that I’m actually talking about someone from twitter who I have actually referenced or quoted numerous times before as I think she’s bonkers to be honest.

    Or that I’m covertly quoting some obscure text you said in a post some time ago, someone I don’t engage with, don’t respond to, don’t quote, don’t read your contribution to troll someone again who I have never quoted, responded to, engaged with and I just luckily happened to come across the exact same phrase from a person on twitter that I have quoted before, that you happened to say somewhere but secretly it’s all about having a go at you!

    The term “I don’t trust Varadkar/Leo” is not a term copyrighted to you or anything in fairness to the extent if anyone else is using it they must be referencing you!

    Seriously it’s noting to do with you and not all about you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yep even if I did get hospital cases wrong at first!



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