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Anyone thinking of emigrating?

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  • Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    well ok, I get Canada. I’m sad I didn’t emigrate there tbh. If people are doing better and buying houses in the U.K., that’s unusual. Wages are lower there except perhaps London. House prices are high in the south. Fuel is expensive, taxes are high. In Spain wages are low, but living costs are low.

    the problem with low wages, even if the living costs are low, is that you will compare to what you could get in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    If I was on 50k I'd be living in a savage apartment in Maynooth and still have plenty of disposable income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Does the NHR scheme mean you'd pay income tax in the country you're company is in and them none in Portugal? Thanks

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    If they used to be Irish then they're ex-Pats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles


    I live just outside Barcelona, the weather only gets too hot in mid June -> Mid/late August ... and even then I just avoid going out at the hottest parts of the day, early mornings and evenings are gorgeous...



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  • Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can I elaborate on the U.K. seeing living standards decline. Sure.


    and in fact U.K. salaries are not expected to rise this decade. As far as I recall it’s been similar since 2008



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I love Barcelona. Been going there since the mid 90's and yes the evenings are great. Drinking a few beers after dinner (at 10 o'clock LOL...Never understood that) is lovely.

    The heat during the day in the summer is bloody awful though. One year I was there it reached about 37 degrees or something like that. Absolutely Horrible. I just couldn't live somewhere like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    I've been living in Seville for nearly 7 years and it's got up to 44/45 degrees here before. It's too hot in July/August but I still love living here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles


    Sevilla one year in September was the hottest I've experienced, was nuts, we arrived around 1PM and were literally the only dopes on the street - and mad dogs of course :D.


    From around 7.30pm it was bearable.. lovely city tho ... and cheap!

    Went again one year in March and was just perfect...



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  • Posts: 208 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lived in the US for 15 years. Did my best to integrate and immerse myself. But every trip back home, it was harder and harder when leaving. The politics in the country is baffling at times and took its toll on me in the recent years (though Ireland isn't much better at the minute!).

    Moved back home to be with my parents in rural Ireland. Never bothered about how much I earn, just enough to get by and a simple life. Suppose it would be different if I had kids. Best move I ever made to come back. Good luck to anyone contemplating a change. Remember your worth and that nothing is worth risking your health and sanity over!



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So right about the food... much higher quality standards, local, traceable.

    Without wanting to sound like a Nazi, Ireland has some beautiful, rich, black soil. You don't get that everywhere.. esp in places where the sun has baked the bejeezus out of it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    Yeah I always recommend from October to May for people to visit. You should see the city at weekends in July and August, almost completely empty, everyone is at the beach. But I agree it's a lovely city and the people are fantastic, great sense of humour and love a good laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,434 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Historically, it depended more on the colour of their skin and the language they spoke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    Great Post and I think if more had the realisation that all you really need is enough to keep you going and keep life simple there would be a lot less dissatisfaction in people's lives, fair play to anyone that does well and can afford the finer things in life and anyone that wants to move away as I did in my youth and see the world but to be blaming all your problems on being born in one of the wealthiest safest countries in the world is nothing short of moronic, anyone with their head screwed on from mid 20s has great opportunities to make to make good go of it



  • Posts: 61 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    afaik the risk of skin cancer is highest due to uneven sun exposure - way too much during the times when it's sunny in the summer, and too little the rest of the time. sunburn is the thing to be avoiding, not all sunlight as such. of course, very pale skin burns more easily as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I was thinking of moving to Spain just before Covid but pretty much put it out of my mind because of that. I don't have a second language but I did study Spanish for a year intensively in 2019 so have a good grounding. My tutor said I should pick it up easily living there with what we covered. Apparently I roll my r's better that most she's ever heard, which I put down to having a talented tongue. :P

    Now that we have minimum alcohol pricing here maybe it's time I look at it again, as I heard red wine is really cheap there :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭Buffman


    MUP on alcohol was that last little kick in the balls I really didn't need after the last 2 years. If I was in my 20s with zero commitments, I'd definitely be considering a move.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I totally forget about it till last Saturday I noticed the perfectly fine €5 bottle of wine I usually get was gone from the shelves. I'd usually get 2 so that's a tenner. Had I bought 2 of their now cheapest bottles that would be €15. I left empty handed as I was pissed, not the kind of pissed I was hoping for.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    The problem with many of the comments here is that it is a list of reasons why someone doesn’t want to be in Ireland rather than a list of reasons why they want to be somewhere else! In 30+ years here in Switzerland I’ve seen countless times. Someone arrives and everything is wonderful for the first six to twelve months and then a new list - reasons not to be in Switzerland :-)

    One of the worst reasons on the list is governance of the country, law, politics etc. Most of the countries you’d want to go to have the concept of the separation of powers and the reasons we all have it is because we fully expect there to be corruption in government. In fact the only time you should be worried about this is when you are not hearing about people being caught, it just means you are failing to detect it. And if you go to another parliament of Westminster style democracy you’ll have an even closer experience to Ireland.

    Every country has issues with governance and corruption, it’s just that most of them don’t get reported in the international press. One of the biggest scandals in my time in Switzerland was P26, now the interesting thing about it is that several aspects of it relates to Ireland and yet you’d be hard pressed to find an Irish person who has heard of it, never mind being able to explain it.

    On the face of it the Swiss healthcare system would probably tick most Irish peoples boxes - short wait lists for specialists, A&E waiting times under an hour, no patients on trolleys etc. On arrival though the first shocker is that there is no public healthcare, everything is private so expect to pay 14k - 20k a year to cover a family of four and good luck finding a GP that will sign you up within 100km of your home!

    Every country has it problems, it’s a question of which ones you are willing to tolerate and for some it will be a case of heading back to Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,049 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’ll be continuously evaluating.. life… scores for my / our..

    • Personal wellbeing 8/10
    • Overall quality of life 8/10
    • fairness of society 4/10
    • safety and security 5/10
    • health services 4/10
    • levels of opportunity 6/10
    • cost of living 5/10
    • general public services 6/10

    guesstimates obviously but if in years to come post pandemic the scores and experiences nosedive I’d look at options abroad…I’ve experienced the best of living abroad in France..

    • felt much safer
    • public transport 1000% better
    • One of the best rated healthcare systems in the planet, top 10 according to OECD and other sources and figures.
    • less political shîthousery in workplaces.
    • Weather much better




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Great post. Hop into a taxi in any city in the world and ask the driver what they think of their own government and you'll almost always get the same answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I think you are right that negative reasons are not a good reason for emigrating. Its the wrong mentality and you are not emigrating into a void but into a specific country with fallible people and you'll always be an outsider (be careful criticising your host country in front of the natives).

    A positive reason for going because some foreign country has a particular quality is better. It might sound airy-fairy to some here but certain countries like France, Italy and others have a real regard for art and beauty that you don't get in Northern European/Protestant countries. If you are an artist it gives you a boost because you see what you value being given such prominence and importance.

    Whereas US, UK, Ireland, Australia and similar have an almost sulking regard for commerce at the expense of everything else. I find it a bit suffocating myself. They all have good art galleries obviously but its not the same.

    But then a French person might be attracted to some quality or virtue that English-speaking countries have in abundance that they feel they've been lacking their whole life. Germans fall in love with the natural beauty of the Irish countryside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I'd love to emigrate and get the European lifestyle with better facilities, transport and most importantly weather.

    But where would I put my two 75 year old parents? They're too old (and ill) to move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,982 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Come off it, whats wrong here and better somewhere else are literally two sides of the same coin. The principle of relativity applies: things being judged relative to each other. 'More sunshine' only has relevance when you have a context - relative to what? You can't get past local references. The only exception is wanting things elsewhere that have no local equivalent at all.

    I want more sunshine, a warmer climate, lower motoring costs with greater freedom of choice, lower taxation for my situation and better health care. These things can be found elsewhere, so that's where I intend to go.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    So which countries are going to offer you all that then?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Disposable income is not much of a measure... In Ireland you have a basic level of healthcare, unemployment benefits etc... built in. Switzerland and the US might top the list, but not paying private health insurance is not a realistic long term option. The same with unemployment benefits - they run out and then you are a social case of some type.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,982 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Nope. It has a few different sides to it. I, as a freelancer, invoice the foreign (Finland) company i work for. They pay me. I tell my accountant. The account submits the invoice as paid to the revenue portal. My tax is calculated at a reduced rate of 20% income tax + social security (much higher here). I pay that to the Portuguese government.

    The NHR scheme does allow you dividends from foreign countries, but i have no such thing.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Perhaps I missed it, but I have not seen anyone specifically mentioning the work-life balance as a reason to move....

    It's not an issue for me now, but back in the day it would have been a very significant factor as the whole anglo sphere just pays lip service to it as far as I can see.



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