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Female jogger killed in Tullamore (MOD NOTE IN OP)

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    This is grossly unfair. Women are quite rightly frightened by this. They get the warnings to go for their run during the day, into well lit areas, make sure they aren’t secluded etc. Ashling literally did all of this and she was still attacked and killed.

    A lot of people in this thread are simply lost for words. A bit of empathy rather than just dismissing everything wouldn’t go amiss. Surely you can understand that instead of dismissing people as being ‘dramatic’?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,861 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Absolutely horrific, RIP Ashling.

    Thoughts are with her family, friends and the 2 ladies who stayed with her. One life ended needlessly and so many other affected long-term.





  • RTE News at one just said known to Gardai with a history of violence. Ffs, infuriating and senseless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    It isn't. I can understand women being upset, angry that it happened, horrified at the details of it. But frightened?

    Should men be frightened because an innocent man was shot dead in Ballyfermot over the weekend? Or because Anthony Campbell, a young lad in work was murdered? Or Shane Geoghan? All innocent men going about their business and murdered. Should I hide under my bed?

    I've never seen any warnings for women about when or where to jog/run. And I am empathic, women shouldn't be scared. They should live their lives. Do what they enjoy. Baseless fear helps absolutely no one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,451 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    There was a conviction last year, for the murder of a Limerick woman. Guy followed her home, when she was out grocery shopping. Then murdered her in her home. The crime took place in 2017.

    This time, last year, there was a cleaner stabbed on her way home from work. She died a few weeks after the incident.

    That second case was mentioned on twitter, in light of what happened yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,407 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    No matter what mental state the lawyers dig out he should never walk the streets again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Minister for Justice/Gardai telling us that perpetrator will face full force of the law, no stone unturned etc.


    Should that not be the case in all murders?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    And as time passes they likely will, but right now they are grieving and being dismissive isn’t helping, it just fuels everything.

    Many women would go for a run on their own in broad daylight and wouldn’t think much of it. It’s very easy for you to say they should just get on with it. It is very unfair especially given how raw this is. Listen to the women around you rather than dismissing them. If this isn’t phasing them then great for them, and I say that sincerely, but it doesn’t mean everyone else should be the same at this very moment.

    And I can’t speak about the Anthony Campbell murder but if you think people in Limerick weren’t phased about the Shane Geoghegan murder then you weren’t paying attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    If you are going to start minimising the risk level that lone women face by comparing it to crimes against men, then you might want to actually start comparing crimes that are similar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are not a young woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    This poor woman and her family have been let down by our justice system which never punishes and always forgives, without a care to decent people.


    Judges must have no say in sentencing, that power should be in the hands of the people who can vote mandatory sentences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,236 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    This is just so utterly awful on so many levels.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    I stated that her family, friends, and the community would be in shock earlier. I haven't heard any statements from any of them. I'm talking about the online attention seekers and the tabloid feminists who are all over this. The "is nowhere safe for women" merchants and the "men need to control themselves" screechers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The only glimmer of hope in this horrible tragedy is that murders of women such as poor Ashling, Jastine Valdez (and Sarah Everard in the UK) by total strangers are incredibly rare.

    Sadly, the overwhelming number of murders of women are by people who were well known to them (often violent, abusive partners).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    This has really shaken me - as a 36 year old woman, I wouldn't think twice about going out for a walk in my local area at night, never mind during daylight hours. I just cannot believe this has happened. It has really affected me. I can't even begin to imagine what her family and friends are going through, as well as the people who were with her as she passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Poor girl. What a terrible thing to happen when out on a run.

    It's quite easy to say that these murders are rare, which is true and that you are very unlikely to be harmed by a stranger, which is true. Fear and the human mind doesn't work like that and things like this will make you scared on your own.

    I walk a lot on my own. And a lot of times along the Canal or other quiet areas. Yes I am very unlikely to be attacked but I am likely to be frightened.

    There is a bit of overreacting when these things happen. Much less to the more normal beaten to death by your partner murder. It's understandable though because fear is not based on logic or stats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I totally get that. The statistics that these type of random murders are extremely rare (which I mentioned just above) will do nothing to put young women out in public on their own at ease. It's only natural that such a horrific and upsetting tragedy will make them fearful and frightened.





  • It should, however the administration of justice and consistency of application of the law leaves a lot to be desired in this country. Plenty of wrong ones walking the streets with hundreds of convictions. Should not be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    I do this literally every day, sometimes twice a day if feeling particularly energetic. Shocking that this can happen in a busy area in broad daylight



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭ElJaguar


    Pepper spray or Mace should be legalised for personal protection, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭rightmove


    TBF I dont think that is what is happening here. The minute a woman is murdered the focus goes on the gender debate immediately and that is wrong but it happens. Focus should be on the specifics of this case but this is the internet after all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Where did I say the murder of a man and the murder of a woman weren't similar? I said risks faced by lone women. But, that was apparent. The crimes you mentioned were not the same circumstances as what happened to the woman out jogging, but that is also apparent

    Thanks for your whataboutery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,273 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    If I was in their shoes, I would be cursing myself for not being there a few moments earlier when I at least had a chance of preventing it from happening.

    Cannot comprehend how traumatised they must be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,961 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Was there another incident a month or 2 back in Tullamore or nearby, someone attacked while out running/walking? I am sure I remember something similar from before Christmas.

    RIP to the poor woman



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    I suppose this is going to one of the things running through their head, the what ifs. They really need to get assistance to deal with something like this. I've seen a man die at the side of a road 25 years ago from a standard road accident. It's a memory I still hold. This horrific tragedy is completely different so I can't imagine putting myself I their shoes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Thats what I thought, but with words on a screen it could easily have been taken the other way too.

    Of course I wouldn't tell a victim that they should have been more careful, the only person at fault when an attack happens is the attacker. But random attacks are so rare that if one of my sisters rang me now and said that she was going for a run, I also wouldn't tell her to be careful, I'd tell her to enjoy it.

    Influencers are called influencers for a reason, they influence people, as do minor Irish celebs, who would have you think that women can't leave the house without some man attacking them going by some of their Twitter accounts. It drives unfounded fear, and living in fear is not a nice feeling for anyone, but if people you look up to and follow keeps telling you to be afraid, you will be.

    This poor girl was extremely unlucky that this scumbag was in the same place, at the same time as her. It was in no way, shape, or form her fault and "being careful" would not have changed what happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Precisely because they are in shock. If something similar happened to anyone we know, doubt many of us would be going on the radio to speak of it. I've lost family very suddenly (heart attack, previous illness that took a turn and was fatal). You just want to be left alone. Given time to grieve. Something like this. It's unimaginable. There was a murder, a good few years ago, in my home town. It absolutely shook the place to its core. Still left scars.

    The news spoke to people from the area, and I commend many reporters who work for Virgin Media and RTE who are not commenting on the specifics, but moreso on the life lost. Because that's what is important right now. Remember the life taken. It's important to be very sensitive to her loved ones.

    I remember there were certain places I lived where myself and others would often have to put up with the dodgy types approaching us. (And I'm speaking as a male). You'd get everything from dealers, junkies, folks who were the 'will you buy me booze, because I'm barred/ banned from there' (never did-they'd always try and claim you took money from em when you'd say 'I'm barred from there too-here's your money back'). You'd have to change your route to avoid the areas they'd hang out.

    There's just no place to be safe anymore. Spent my whole life being careful. Tell many others to do the same. You can't be cautious enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,463 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    It's awful beyond words but this isn't the time for people to go on their anti-men fear mongering rants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,764 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Why are the Guards giving it the whole '' we'll leave no stone upturned to find the killer, we will search the 4 corners of the globe, we will search every house, out house, and dog house'' wtf!

    There was witnesses, you picked the guy up straight away, stop milking it to look good and do your job, stop acting like you're in a Hollywood Movies its sad.



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