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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    It is hard to see them loosening restrictions at the start of February but I can see some glimmer of hope!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Just on you point regarding US. I personally think it’s very hard to use it to draw comparisons between Ireland and the US for a few reasons such as vaccination levels but also their healthcare system. Other posters would be more knowledgeable then me but in US you have people with Chronic diseases who often go untreated for their illnesses because they can’t afford the treatment or the treatment isn’t covered by their insurance policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    Ok, so that means to maintain our momentum against this virus it will mean another dose of vaccine maybe 5-6 months after the booster?

    And then every 6 months thereafter. I wouldn't like to be taking regular boosters though just because the antivaxers wouldn't even take one dose!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,732 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its staggeringly two faced if you ask me.

    Perhaps we should follow the UK model, vaccine deaths could be any death that occurred within 28 days of a vaccine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    The fact in many cases everyone onboard are both vaccinated and recently tested and wearing a mask and in a space with HEPA filtering and where the air is replaced rapidly and where the airline and destination requires you to confirm in some kind of declaration you have not had/been a close contact in the last 14 days. Load factors are way down so fewer people within the radius where tracing would be conducted.

    Its probably the safest place you could be...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    You can't blame people for being scared or scared for their children's health tho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't blame them but I do think chronic fear is damaging - both to them, and ultimately others because everything is now a 'public matter'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    You’d have to wonder what a lot of lads are going to do when this thing is actually over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,732 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Probably do all those things that they were restricted from doing for the past 2 years of their lives. Just a guess.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    The obsession with PCR test availability absolute madness of the highest order. /S



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I re-watched the film version of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix last night and I noticed a few interesting parallels to our covid situation.

    The background story is that Lord Voldemort (a Satan-type figure) is returning to the world of magic to enslave and kill everyone and eventually also non-magical people in the normal world. This sets off a chain reaction of panic and misguided political action.

    The Ministry of Magic takes over Hogwarts school and start issuing a series of unreasonable decrees, the first of which is to ban magic in order to create a 'risk-free environment'.

    One of the decrees is to ban music. Another decree is to ban girls and boys from coming 'within eight inches of each other'. Another is to disband all student organisations, essentially banning students from meeting in groups.

    The Ministry keeps multiplying strict and obstructionist rules in order to guarantee safety and recruits students to spy on the rest of the student body. (Eventually the students rebel and all the decree scrolls are physically destroyed and the Minister is abducted by a group of centuars she mistreated.)

    Harry is attacked in print by scurrilous media (a newspaper called The Daily Prophet). One of the only Irish characters (!) Seamus falls out with Harry because he says his mother believes the media propaganda scapegoating Harry for the death of their mutual friend (who was actually murdered by Lord Voldemort but Harry was the only witness).

    Eventually Seamus says that he and his mother realise the media coverage is so incoherent that it must be based on lies. Seamus apologises to Harry and now says he believes him.

    In general Harry is a victim of myopic bureaucracy (he is almost expelled from Hogwarts and has to face a judicial hearing for breaking a minor rule in the act of saving someone's life).

    Lord Fudge - the head of the Ministry of Magic - has his judgement impaired by fear, as Sirius Black must explain to Harry who is still a child and doesn't understand why 'the adults' are behaving so irrationally. This chronic fear is what leads the Ministry to blame Dumbledore and Harry for everything that is happening and turn them into public enemies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Deaths by medical misadventure is reported to be ranked at number 3 in terms of causes of death in the US.

    Just for those that think medicine and pharma are infallible.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Agree. But having said that, it's probably through international travel on planes that Omicron spread to all countries so quick. Only takes a few people though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    And just like that, spiderman 0081, fintan and buckety buck are in the mud. Absolutely schooled. I'd like them to point us all in the direction of the vaccine victims wards in the hospitals or the vaccine victims in ICU like what we have for covid. Or the collapsed healthcare systems, bodies in trucks like Italy or corpses being burned in India because they took the vaccine like what we saw from covid waves. Even though more people have had the vaccine than covid....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭cheezums


    They tend to get very quiet when excess deaths is mentioned too. Literally no way whatsoever to spin it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,114 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Haha no one got schooled by a pay walled article!! Calm down

    Bottom line is of course that the excess deaths related directly to population demographics, not lockdowns.

    And of course excess deaths regularly occur during Winter pandemics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Funeral homes in Italy were ordered to stand down as part of the first lockdown and army trucks were sent to collect the dead instead. Funeral homes were locked down. Mad how the image of an army truck carrying a coffin is burned into people's brains as one of the main triggers of this crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    The point is there is no comparison between this argument of covid deaths and hospitalisarions and vaccine deaths. Or the way it is spun.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Wrong. The crematoriums in the region were overwhelmed so the bodies were transferred to other regions of Italy, hence the trucks. And I presume bodies were being burned in the streets and oxygen flown in worldwide to India because they closed the florists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Its not wrong, it was quietly reported afterwards that funeral homes were disallowed from transporting the dead. Indians have been burning bodies on funeral pyres for centuries and a malaria epidemic would require extra oxygen too, it just doesn't get media magnification usually. There was a famine in India in the 1970s did you know that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Terence Rattigan


    Sorry, slightly off topic, but you`ve reminded me of one of my favourite bits in Catch 22. Someone has the bright idea of introducing Loyalty Oaths before you can do or partake in certain activities. Of course it gets out of hand and eventually you have to sign a Loyalty Oath just to get your grub in the canteen. In comes Major -------De Coverly, aka Major Blank DeCoverly, he is so fierce some that no one has had the courage to ask him his first name. Anyway he marches into the canteen, shoving the Oath aside and shouts "GIMME EAT!" followed quickly by "GIVE EVERYBODY EAT!" and that was the end of the Oath campaign!

    We have been kind of asked to sign loyalty oaths or else by our government in the past two years, anybody know where Major ------DeCoverly is? 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Where is your evidence for this quiet revelation?

    When has the international community needed to send oxygen to India?

    They had to build makeshift pyres in India as they were overwhelmed, and often having to completely go against ritual such was the time and space constraints.

    I'm aware they had a famine then yes and the fact you're using a famine to brush off what happened there in spring says it all and proves my point.

    Next you'll be telling me new york and Brazil build mass graves every other year too.

    You are so misinformed it's incredible. Some people on here should need a licence and a training course on how to use the Internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Social media images of people being lowered into 'mass graves' in NY were debunked long ago. Bodies are always buried at Hart Island.

    Imo you're reacting to a series of shocking and traumatic media images and headlines.

    My point is that India is a third world country where there have been many crises.

    I can't find the article about Italian funeral homes being stood down by lockdown. If I find it I will post it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'Some people on here should need a licence and a training course on how to use the Internet.'

    Yeah sure I'll ask around if someone can show me the ropes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Indians burning bodies is not new - its just that you never noticed it until it was reported on.

    Plenty of those pictures from the beginning of the pandemic have been since debunked as out-of-context fakes, some taken years before for other news stories. The piles of coffins stacked high etc was fearmongering by the media to get more views. The reality was not nearly as bad as they made it seem (or as you still think it was)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Of course there have been many crises there. There has been two world wars in the first half of the last century , that does no negate nor change the reality of prior and post wars. You're endulfing in whatabouterry.

    Fair point that hart island is not new but that very fact check points out the extreme increase of burials at least seven fold. And as I also mentioned the mass graves in Brazil.

    What you're thinking of regarding Italy is that funerals we're cancelled. To avoid mass gatherings. Bodies went straight to the be cremated or buried. The funeral parlours, crematoriums etc were overwhelmed so bodies transferred to other regions.

    I'm far from a helen lovejoy and think the covid situation now is far different than before. I think we should absolutely be opening up and ridding restrictions. We should have opened up earlier last summer.

    But the misdirection of comparing the fatalities and hospitalisations from covid worldwide to the vaccines is laughably deluded and desperately misinformed.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You seem to be forgetting that the whole premise was the "ministry" was denying that there was an issue at all and demoising anyone who dared suggest there was a problem to be dealt with. For ministry read restrictions thread



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Your clear agenda is to undermine vaccination and ignore any benefits and to misconstrue facts and figures to suit.

    I'd take happy medicine but then I'd be worried the likes of you would point out to me two whole people in Estonia died from this "experimental drug ".

    I'm sure you'll keep "doing your own research" though . Just remember everyone's in on it except us ;)



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