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Elvis Costello asks radio stations not to play Oliver's Army

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Everything will eventually go very quiet. There’s hardly a hit song without at least one lyric that will offend someone, or will have been performed by someone whose lifestyle is or was offensive in some way.

    So slowly but surely they will all have to pulled and we will all sit in silence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,866 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yep i think sad is the only word.



  • Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In fairness to E Costello I think he's just getting 'ahead' of the 'curve'. All in all, I think it IS a great song & never felt it had any negative connotations...... but, I Guess, that's just the society we live in nowadays. Without sounding like a parrot.......i find it SAD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,738 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    they should just say 'sorry, but Oliver's army is here to stay...'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    WOKE wanker



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    from reading the article, i think you're jumping to conclusions. he's not saying he shouldn't have written the song, the two reasons he mentioned was that by bleeping the song the BBC etc. makes it sound worse, and that people were misinterpreting the song and i guess he's probably sick of having to explain or defend himself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭foxsake


    context seems have been a forgotten concept.

    in this case he seems to be placating the perpetually offended before they even got offended.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most exciting thing this musical bore has done in decades. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nah, he's just pretty annoyed at being labelled as something by people who just see a single word in a song about the 1970s. The expression also includes the word "white" as well and is very much a bygone era comment. Great song and a regular listen for me but quite surprised it hasn't been targeted before now.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    on his comment that bleeping it only draws attention to it, it's quite obvious what he means; that song could be on the radio and most people wouldn't be listening to the lyrics, but the bleep would be an immediate attention grabber.

    i remember when i was younger, and the first time i properly copped the phenomenon, when 'dirty boulevard' by lou reed was released as a single; the censored word here was 'suck', but the bleep really caught the attention; and as in oliver's army, the word rhymes with the previous line so it's fairly clear to the listener what the bleeped word is anyway (though in this case people might think it's another word rhyming with buck, as i did):

    "A small kid stands by the Lincoln Tunnel

    He's selling plastic roses for a buck

    The traffic's backed up to 39th street

    The TV whores are calling the cops out for a ****"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Not sure he is to be honest. What he seems to be saying is that they're going to to come and take one word out of the context it was written to make it a problem. Rather than wasting his time trying to explain or ruining the song by beeping it out, he'd just prefer they didn't play it / listen to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    He offered himself up on a plate to the WOKE gestapo

    Artists need to defend their work , words are often about context

    Art will be effectively dead in twenty years the way things are going



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭quinnd6


    We're gone back to the 50s, it's worse than ever. Everything has to be censored, can't say anything anymore. We're in the most backward, annoying, stupid censored era of all time. Actually worse than the 50s it is. Freedom of expression is dead. All you have is leftist Nazis. Music is being ruined, comedy is being ruined, everything is being ruined, I hate it. It's a word in a song, nobody should care and if they do let them go take a hike.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    We're in the most backward, annoying, stupid censored era of all time

    hard to take you seriously if that's the sort of guff you're saying?



  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    When will The Prodigy follow suit and ask Radio stations to stop playing "Smash my Bitch up" due to the insensitivity of the lyrics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭foxsake



    in some way I think we saying the same thing. he could just not engage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭quinnd6


    No it's a fact, think about it. Everything is censored. Words are taken out of songs that might offend someone, replaced with garble effect. Comedians have to tiptoe in case they might offend someone. Simpsons and family guy voice actors required to be same colour as the character they're portraying. It's more backwards and censored than ever. Leftists want to take the fun out of everything and they're winning because they shout the loudest and they're the loudest, naggy voice and want to shut everyone up.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i don't think i've heard that on the radio in years. i don't think you're that familiar with the song either?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    What was the word in question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,480 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Pathetic man cancells himself.



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  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    Does that matter. It is a provocative and "insensitive" song title. Oliver's Army isn't bringing in huge royalties for Deco McManus these days but he got some headlines out of self-cancelling.

    Of course I'm familiar with the song as it was shown regularly on Music TV stations late at night when I was younger but you're just a man dragging a grudge around with you from sub-forum to sub-forum so your comments are only to be expected. Stop stalking me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that was intended to be a humorous reference to you having got the song title wrong.

    i apologise for the attempt at humour, and by stalking you into a thread i was posting in before you were.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    There's a lot of perpetually offended, sensitive snowflakes in the thread. It's his decision as an artist not to play it when he feels that it has outlived its cultural relevance. It's his song, and he wrote it almost 45 years ago. As for the radio stations, it's up to them if they want to play it or not as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭quinnd6


    I think he meant it's smack not smash.

    Anyway 🙄.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    There is a certain irony with those taking offence at Costello's move because of their perception that he is trying to avoid offending listeners



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    my uncle was quite proud of the fact that his band once had a song of theirs banned from RTE radio - it obviously attracted enough attention that they wrote him and the band he was in a letter stating (maybe not the exact words, it's been 25 or 30 years since he showed me the letter) 'we wish to clarify that we have not banned the song, instead we have taken the decision not to play it due to the political content of the song'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Agree 100% quinnd6. Once upon a time censorship - the supression of words, images & ideas that a few may find offensive, was associated with the middle aged conservative righ wing brigade. Now it's the young lefties who are pushing the woke & cancel culture and woe betide anyone who dares to challenge them The very rights that thousands gave their life to defend and uphold is now being oblitareted by the key board warriors who have lived a charmed existence form the cradle, spoiled brats who never experienced cold, hunger, hardship or did a decent days work in their short lives.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Do people just read headlines these days to get offended and/or angry without getting proper context from the actual article?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    can't remember the name of the band - they weren't internationally famous by any stretch, not even nationally known. they were an irish folk outfit he was in for a few years. the song was called something like 'the right to rule our destiny' IIRC.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Bit of a random “statement” there, L. The song is about Northern Ireland.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    did a bro rogan mention 'woke' yet ? oh yeah its up there , if someone writes a song and wants to revisit it many years later , he has every right to

    makes me laugh when people mention ' you can't say anything anymore'

    you can never say more

    imagine lenny bruce being shown what people think is cancel culture is these days , he had police in the audience waiting to arrest him if he said anything

    if louis CK still has a career ....no one is cancelled , a myth invented by the right , colin kapernick & the dixie chicks got cancelled but that doesn't fit the narrative



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    It takes a very sensitive, and angry, “sort” to get so riled up by such things.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Well, more about imperialism generally, though it was inspired by being stopped at an army checkpoint in NI, hence the “checkpoint Charlie”. The “offending” phrase is definitely a reference to Catholics in NI. Gerry Adams also got himself into hot water a few years ago as I recall by referring to himself using the same term. As a Costello fan ( though not so much of his recent work) I think he’s just saying that if radio is going to bleep the song, he’d prefer if they just didn’t play it. I don’t think he’s disowning the song, which is a bona fide classic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Tbf, it's about more than just Northern Ireland and the Troubles. It's a condemnation of the British Army and the recruitment of working class boys in declining industrial areas as cannon fodder for the UK's international squabbles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,082 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Aging rocker finds way to remind radio stations chat he still exists.

    Yawn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Or musician in an interview discusses one of his songs and its treatment by radio stations and censors and says he'd prefer if they'd just not play it if they're going to censor it. This gets translated by the media to 'MUSICIAN DEMANDS RADIO STATIONS STOP PLAYING SONG' which gets further translated to 'MUSICIAN GONE WOKE! LIBERALS AT IT AGAIN!!! LEFTIST SOMETHING OR OTHER!!!!! AAAAARRRRRGH!!!!!'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    He said hes not going to play it live anymore.

    His choice and all but people should stand by their art. Who gives a **** what radio stations or some woke clown at a gig thinks. Its an important song.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Never knew the Oliver in question was Cromwell and the song was largely about Ireland; hadn't really listened to the lyrics properly. Vaguely remember reading years ago it was about British-trained mercenaries in the 'Third World'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    He's played it for decades and it's his art, his choice whether he wants to play it or not. He had altered the verse on recent tours to one that highlighted the censorship of the song but he's just not arsed singing it anymore. It's not like the song is going to disappear off the planet.

    I can't see the issue with someone looking back on their art and saying that they would phrase something differently if they were to write it today. He is not asking for the song to be permanently expunged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Yep agree but its a slippery road. Ammo for woke losers to start digging around back catalogues for "offensive" lyrics.

    I presonally prefer the fúck you approach from musicians. Didnt like Knopfler changing Money For Nothing either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When are the gangsta rappers going to be censored for the use of the n-word, misogynistic and homophobic lyrics? I'm not holding my breath on that one. Btw i love gangsta rap ☺️



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    When's the last time you heard an uncensored gangsta rap on daytime radio?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,158 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's one thing a black person using the N-word, another thing if a white person uses it.

    (FWIW i personally don't have an issue with costello having used it in the song, given the context)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    A brilliant tune thanks OP for reminding me to listen

    Post edited by Luxembourgo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    Elvis "the cuck" Costello



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