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Cork Property Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭shnaek


    Don't believe all that you read in the papers. They were saying the same in the Celtic Tiger days. There will be a crash before 2028 - it's inevitable. Don't want to get into the economics of it here on this property thread. Still, you don't want to be waiting for a crash. Just a shame housing policy here has been so bad over the past couple of decades.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,172 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    The property market is exactly that, a market. Anyone predicting the next 8-10 years in such a market is clueless in my opinion.

    I remember not so long ago when prices fell through the floor, negative equity was the buzzword. An apartment near me was down to 80k as it couldn't sell. It would be well over double that now. Peaks and troughs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 equilibre


    Thanks guys, your comments have made me feel a bit better. Then I made a few calls and was put through to an assistant director of a big estate agency and they literally scoffed down the phone at me. I was brought up to never treat people like that and in my work place I think I’d get stabbed in the eye with a pen for speaking so rudely to someone and yet- an innocent person putting their everything into a fairly generous budget (means nothing in this market I know) gets scoffed at and spoken down to…

    theres nothing wrong with telling people what the don’t want to hear but there’s just no need to be rude and unprofessional in my opinion. We’ve dealt with six different agencies now and the bigger the agency, the rider and more unprofessional the agents. I can hand on heart say I’ve met one nice estate agent and he was a gentleman, that’s it.


    I’ve really had enough, Cork is the pitts right now. I’m thinking about just moving away all together if we can get our jobs moved…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭RINO87


    I know exactly how you feel. I called an agent about a house up the country today as on Daft it was "price on application" the agent tried to ask what area I worked in, and also the occupation of my partner before giving us a guide price - basically so he could just make something up based on what he figured our salaries were..... I was having none of it, and said its surely illegal to not list a guide price. The response was 2Well it's guiding at xxxx, I'll get a whole lot more than that tho" He then said he has had no offers!!!

    It made me so angry....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    If someone can predict the next 7 years of the property market, ask them for the lotto numbers too. Its very simple, prices are dictated by supply and demand. There is currently no supply, so prices are high and their is high demand. The only solution is build build build.

    The central bank lending rules will keep a lid on prices as salaries are not meeting these prices and its unrealistic to expect them to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 equilibre


    That’s outrageous! And looking at daft a lot of the prices seem completely made up- there’s one estate agent in cork who I swear adds at least an extra 100K onto every listing. They don’t seem to shift houses as quickly as other agents though.


    it just feels like daylight robbery at this stage!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 equilibre


    Yeah, that’s the right perspective alright. I guess it’s just a waiting game but that’s a horrible game for us as we are renting with smallies. Terrified of being asked to move and then needing to rent for an even higher monthly sum at the next place. Don’t want to upend the kids to much either. I wasn’t too stressed about this when pregnant but then again, I didn’t know a pandemic was around the corner- or how hard parent life is, again, especially in a pandemic. 💔



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 equilibre


    To add- I always thought once we had our deposit saved we’d be in a home within 12 months or so. 2 years in and not a hope…



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 equilibre


    Just remembering today that an estate agent bullied us into offering 50K above asking despite no other offers on a house that was on the market 5 months. We initially felt obliged but then walked away because the whole operation was stink- people we knew in the area got onto us to say the house had a leak they were covering up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭pkvader


    Any of you know what the name of the new development on Sarsfields road is?,site just above the driving test centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭Thephantomsmask


    I think it is social housing, I haven't seen any advertising.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Sarsfield Heights its called. There was rumours it was social housing but it stopped completely during the Jan-April 21 lockdown.



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    The use of online bidding is relatively new. The house next door on market 3 weeks now, been ques of people into it. Something like 40 last week alone. Deadline for online bids closes at 2pm tomorrow. Currently 6 bids in, €14k over asking & I suspect the real action to happen from 12-2 tomorrow. Bit more transparent but I’d hate to be bidding. Was bad enough when I was looking in 2018 and was outbid on several before finding mine.

    Serious demand & lack of supply especially in cork city centre area. Closest new builds are in Glanmire or by airport. So older houses in high demand & very few on market.

    Bit different to 2006 scenario where there was an over supply but not sure where it will end.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    There is some absolute madness happening with online bidding, there is a lot to be said for forcing people to stop, have a think and pick up the phone to the auctioneer before placing their next bid, wasn't interested in this house in Fota but look at the bidding 😲




  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    And there’s a condition on that Fota one. Can only live in it 6 months per year. It’s a planning & tax regulation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    That live auction was dramatic. Closed at €101,000 over asking. And I thought it was spot on asking. At €5,550 per m2 great result for seller. But further shows pent up demand for city centre homes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭IHateNewShoes


    Just wondering if you were able to find out any more about this?



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    curious what this has sale agreed at , considering the price of the last house in the area



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭whatever76


    I know its nuts what do uppers are going for but I guess its location location location - I heard latest bid on this was ~380k ; 45 Belmont Park, Ballinlough, Co. Cork is for sale on Daft.ie


    according to Register No 35 in that estate went for 520k !



  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    Good long garden on that Belmont Park one so well suited to extension. It doesn't surprise me following market in that area it is going for 380k plus. One on Somerton Road around corner went 375k recently. What surprises me is given where extension costs have gone what bidgets are people allowing and have they realistic idea on costs etc. Location is driving that price.



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    Last one was asking 395 and went for 520, that one was detached though and in better nik but still needed work done to it



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Jbholmes


    That area of Ballinlough is a very nice quiet and mature area, so I can see why they command the premium.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Jbholmes


    Yeah I actually agree with you. It all comes down to location. For example that house has a good school, swimming pool, shop (JJ ODriscolls) and a nice park with playground all within a two minute walk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,153 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    It's mad. I grew close to that area and in the 70s and 80s, it wasn't considered a wealthy area, at all. Very ordinary single income working families lived there. Not saying it was a working class area, but it certainly wasn't considered posh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭notAMember



    Well... that is really a question of perspective or comparison to the rest of the country at the time maybe. Ballinlough has always been a southside "good" area, even from back in the 50's. St Anthony's and Cork Con rugby are right there, = fee paying Pres boy heaven. Semi-D's and detatched houses with decent gardens.

    Remember too that single income was default/maximum permitted. The marriage ban was removed mid 70's for women in the civil service, and not until 1978 was it made illegal to reject a woman from private employment based on marital status. My mother was chucked out of her permanent job in the bank 1977 when she got married. So single income was effectively the rule, in law, here. A women's place was chained to the kitchen sink.

    Also, 70's and 80's were our peak unemployment and emigration time. therefore having ANY income in the 70's and 80's, and not being on the dole or on the boat, was almost middle-class-ish. "Single income working family" means "loaded" if you're in the 80's. I accept that now, looking backwards, it's nothing like today's standard of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,153 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Not disagreeing with any of that, really. It was always a "good" area but you only needed a pretty average job to be able to afford to live there.

    I'd say plenty of Ford and Dunlop factory workers had houses in Ballinlough. St. Anthony's was a regular National school - not in any way exclusive.

    Now it seems that only the top earners could afford to live there. Two average industrial wages wouldn't see you there, now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭notAMember


    What are the rules at the moment for FTP... 10% deposit and 3.5 times combined income?


    Say a family / couple have a combined income of around €100k... or 50k each for easy sums.

    Current statistics are average wage in Ireland 2020 was €49,300


    That gives them a max mortgage of 350k

    House costing 380 would need deposit of 38k, needing a mortgage of 342k, so should be within affordability.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Plus stamp duty (€3,800 if it sold at asking price), engineer's report/survey costs, insurances, solicitor's fees and all the other legal costs (~€3000 - €4000 easily). Your calculations also exclude the cost of any necessary upgrades or maintenance work required, and most FTB will also need a fair budget for furniture. It might be possible to afford the property itself, but all of the necessary extras could put it well outside of affordability for the average couple. The ad itself states "The property itself arrives to the market in need of complete renovation", so who knows how much that could cost extra.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Yes, I was just going on mortgage. That doesn't include stamp duty and the legal fees, hiring the moving van, furniture etc.

    That was my experience, First place I bought was a heap of crap at the top of my mortgage "affordability" that I upgraded slowly over time, furnished with freebie furniture being chucked away. That's what we all did back in my day. We didn't walk into a shop with a credit card and furnish a whole house day 1. Maybe that's the expectation now. shrug.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Back in the 80’s a Good job was difficult to come by. Standards of living were very different to today and there was a big difference in standard of living between a good area and a working class area.

    To put in context about 50% of the pupils in st Anthony’s came from homes where the parents had their own business or were professional. They weren’t millionaires but were financially better off than most at a time when unemployment was very high.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Lia_lia


    Renovation/building costs are massive these days. Houses for sale in Ballinlough for 350K often need loads of work done that can cost well over 100k. This would be essential work, not a fancy extension or anything. We are a couple on over 100k between us but would be priced out of houses like this as we don’t have an extra hundred grand lying around for renovations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Yes, that's true. Standards are eye-watering, cost of materials is mad and the lead time is big. Finding a place you can move into and tolerate for a while would be ideal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    I think if that house is going for 380k its at least 100k to modernise existing house. I think it is much more likely anyone buying a house like this will do some form extension. That could be anywhere from 200k to 350k plus based on extensions you normally see around that area. So I think people buying are often people with budget closer to 600k plus or aiming to grow into it. In that sense the area is becoming hard to buy in. I expect the flow of workers coming home from Dublin with higher salaries are behind a lot of the recent push up in prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    What’s the fascination with Carrigaline? Most car dependent town in country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Mr.CoolGuy


    Carrigaline is far nicer than 90% of the towns in Cork yet gets hammered on here constantly. A bit of traffic is not the be all and end all everyone



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    Carrigaline is just one big ever expanding housing estate, its not terrible but doesn't have the character, services or amenities of Midleton or Ballincollig plus always seems to jammed full of traffic which hopefully will be reduced with the relief road and I heard they have started enabling works for the motorway to Ringaskiddy too.

    Your 90% comment makes no sense when you consider how nice all of west Cork is too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    €275k for the Ballinglanna house in December 2020 would have been net of VAT as it was a new build.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭IHateNewShoes


    And probably another 30/40k kitting the place out. The negative of that is no HTB.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    25 properties to rent on daft.ie this evening. 1 of the listings is Elysian penthouses and the other is student accommodation. So 23 properties altogether. I remember being shocked last year when that number dropped below 100. Absolute madness for a city of this size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭notAMember


    That was the expected result with the change in rent controls last year. It was already clearly dropping as a result of the 4% rule, so what did anyone expect when they changed it to 1%. Cause and effect.

    If you penalise rental service providers to the point where it doesn’t make sense as a viable business, they just take their ball of investment capital and go elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Surely that ballintemple wreck won’t get that money. It’s not a big site, and restricted to a bungalow I’d guess? It’s a mad junction for traffic there. Really narrow. Two double deckers try to pass each other there multiple times a day , clogging up the whole place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    This house was up last year asking 650k. Checked register and went 20% over at 780k. With where renovation costs are at like this is huge price. Great location and detached but thats serious uplift in price for the area. Must be people moving back from Dublin and London etc.





  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭mini5476


    I viewed this last year and was outbid at the time, 100k price jump from this time last year.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Mav11



    It seems to have sold for €360k in April 2021. Same house?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Only the places on or near the coast are nice, the inland places are dreary kips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Lia_lia


    https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/detached-house-87-lissadell-maryborough-hill-douglas-co-cork/3745128

    This house in Douglas seems to be priced very low for what it is. Anyone know if it’s a nice spot? What’s the catch?! A house in the same estate sold for 323k last August which also seems very cheap for the market at the moment.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    It does seem quite cheap... I suppose it's relatively small (96 sqm), poor BER, and 42 years old so might need some structural work soon (roofing/plumbing/electrics etc). There's another on the market for €309K https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-20-lissadell-maryborough-hill-douglas-co-cork/3737658 so seems that they're just on the lower end of the spectrum as a whole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭IHateNewShoes


    Bidding on this place is at 330, first viewings were last week. Always get a bit worried when multiple houses in the same small area go up together.



  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    330 seems about right. Similar price to what 3 bed semi in places near Douglas like Ballinlough go for



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