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Garda owns man he sees hitting a woman

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    If a person has been witnessed by AGS assaulting another person, he should be arrested, brought to the station and charged.

    If it has not been witnessed by AGS, then they should take statements and pass the information to the DPP who will make a decision.

    The Gardai should not be wailing and gnashing like a banshee in the middle of the street. The Gardai should also not be using misogynistic slang towards members of the public either. It is not the Garda's job to "punish" the suspect verbally, that is why we have a courts system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    We know for certain that the Garda was unable to control his emotions.

    We know for certain that the Garda had to sign the AGS Declaration of Professional Values and Ethical Standards. Which he completely failed to uphold.

    Article 1 is "respect the human dignity of every person". We will understand that we can never judge a person because one can never know all the circumstances and the intent that led a person to take a particular course of action. An Garda Síochána must be concerned with how our services look after the dignity needs of each human person. Respect for the human dignity of all persons is the primary value on which the policies, practices and procedures of An Garda Síochána rest. It is important to remember that while members of An Garda Síochána are empowered by the Oireachtas on behalf of the community to deprive people of certain rights in the interests of the common good; in undertaking this function, we may never deprive persons of their innate personal dignity, no matter what procedures we have to carry out.

    Article 6 is "pursue the truth by establishing and reporting all of the facts in an honest, objective, fair and impartial manner: justice being the aim." As investigators, it is our clear public duty to work conscientiously and diligently to establish all of the facts relevant to the issues under investigation, in an honest, objective, fair and impartial manner, with a view to providing other decision makers in the justice system with an objective, comprehensive and impartial picture of all of the issues. The principles of equality and non-discrimination must guide our actions, strategies and decision-making processes. Evidence collection, evaluation and presentation shall always be guided by respect for the rule of law and adherence to the principles of natural and constitutional justice.

    Article 10 is "challenge, oppose and expose illegal, unprofessional or unethical behaviour in our profession." Individual or group behaviour or loyalties, which serve to facilitate, encourage or conceal illegal, unethical or unprofessional actions, undermines professional policing.

    Article 11 is "discharge our professional responsibilities and public duties with probity and integrity in the interest of the public good." All decisions, behaviours and actions must be characterised by probity and integrity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    Seriously?

    There is no context where a man has any entitlement to hit a woman.


    And it's people like you with this flawed thinking that end up being abusers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17


    Seriously? If a woman attacks a man he cant hit her back?

    If you're getting attacked you're allowed to hit back....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    only as a very last resort

    most men would do serious damage to a women if they hit back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Which is a very good reason for women to not assault people, no?

    There's a whiff of misogyny (albeit fairly benevolent) about the replies that talk about "hitting a woman" like it's more of a crime for a man to assault a woman than vice versa.

    And the posts saying that it's not okay for a man to hit a woman ever, even if she is assaulting him, are ridiculous. The ostensible reason is that the woman is much smaller and weaker (generally) than the man (true), but I get the impression those same posters would not have the same reaction if a short and skinny man punched a much bigger, much stronger man. I imagine many of them would say he deserved it and he should have known he couldn't handle the consequences or something similar.

    If equality is right then it's right all the time, and that guard should have treated that man the same way he'd have treated him if he'd been assaulting a man.

    And people who assault other people should go to jail, regardless of their sex.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    Yes.

    There are no conditions where a man can hit a woman.

    Easy enough to fend off or move off.


    If you think that you have an entitlement to hit a woman just because she hits you, then you are very misguided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,032 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    They haven’t been asked, they’ve volunteered their services to be employed to do their jobs…. They are fully aware of what the job entails and the standards expected of them… stress of the job ? What if there is a person holding someone against their will with a weapon? It’s ok if the Garda starts roaring his head off at them ? On some cacophonous rant ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    I wonder why the video was edited, we don't see the alleged assault take place on a female , cant see any female victim present either.

    I can just see a few members of AGS present and whoever recorded the footage , decided to be selective in its editing.

    I reckon the Garda in question maybe a candidate for re-training or anger management course, could even get suspended.

    Totally OTT response imo, does not show any arrest either in the footage uploaded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    blah blah blah ? lol good intelligent articulate and reasoned response there ,

    quality discussion there



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    No no, you’re making all of that up. People aren’t doing any of that. They’re not showing sympathy or looking for excuses to feel sympathy for someone alleged to have harmed a woman. On boards? No way. Doesn’t happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    there is quite a difference between being 15 k over the limit and even the most mild version of what that fella is alleged to have done.

    thats not even close to what happens here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,970 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,970 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What?

    so if a woman attacks you and you’re only way to stop it is to fight back. What, you don’t? And hope for the best?

    absolute nonsense..

    And I am fully aware of the physical differences between males and females…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    With that attitude you are condoning violence/ abuse by women on men so.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Guarantee if that fella was an immigrant the bleeding hearts up in arms about a Garda raising his voice would be calling for batons, a pummelling in the Garda station and to be f*cked on a plane back to their own country because how dare they hit our wimmins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,970 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    you have some ridicules things to say based on 25 seconds of video , hope that guys solicitor doesn't read this for your sake



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    punching down on him ? what the actual f are you saying ?

    now your suggesting the poor fella is a junkie and it was just a dispute between them ? and the poor fellas feelings are hurt ,

    will ya get a grip ffs or at least go out into the real world and see what its like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,970 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Big issue here is folks cannot seem to separate the copper’s unprofessional and improper conduct in dealing with the situation and the issue of violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭hawley


    You're as overdramatic as the guard. He must have thought he was auditioning for Fair City or Kin.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    Obviously didn't have to spell in Templemore Mike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    the guard had several of his colleagues standing right beside him , not a whole lot of courage required there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    " no context "

    so if a woman is coming at you with a knife , do you keep your hands by your side ?

    daft rationale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Must have been too busy learning to shoot unarmed innocent black men in front of their family's or what ever bat **** crazy crap you want to come out with next , that takes up a lot of time ya know.



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think maybe one or two people may have shown something that could be interpreted as sympathy for the man in the video.

    The vast majority of people are concerned about and commenting on the professionalism of the policeman.

    Again, you are making it out like people are defending beating women. The only time I have seen that on this thread are a few people saying that a man has a right to defend himself against a violent woman.

    Would you agree or disagree?


    Seems like you are desperately trying to frame anyone who has an issue with the policeman's behaviour as a racist xenophobe.

    Guaranteeing it in fact.

    How odd.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,970 ✭✭✭✭walshb




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