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This whole cancel culture myth

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭BringingSexyBack


    For actors and other celebrities , being black balled and ignored for projects because of what they said or what they are perceived to have said , is a bit more than mild criticism for statements that while debatable were far from stupid (stupid in the sense of why did they bother opening that can of worms , knowing there’d be a disproportionate back lash ? Maybe ) . Hope you are never on the receiving end . A deserted island might actually be a tonic when they have to deal with the noisy minority

    JK Rowling was undeniably cancelled aka boycotted (and lol, a demand was made for publishers to stop paying her royalties on sale of her own work ) She won’t be given a fair shake with any future books or film deals (if her work merits it of course - she didn’t say anything unreasonable nor conducted herself in a criminal fashion



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭BringingSexyBack




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    See the hyperbole in your post gross exaggerates what actually happened though. I could do the same and accuse Obama of human rights violations and war crimes with respect to the drone strikes against American citizens. However that would be a distortion of reality to fit an agenda so I don't agree with that description.


    "Fascist coup" is a joke. Some morons, and they were morons, broke into the Capitol building, took selfies and stole a podium. It was the most inept, non-threatening "coup" in history.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Warner Bros protecting their movies and merch sales.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,819 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's no hyperbole. Just a basic refutation to the victim complex of today's right.

    If you've objective proof for your original claim, feel free to post it.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭BringingSexyBack


    That example of not be asked out for drinks etc or making one’s own tea, isn’t necessarily bullying at the work place . People are free to disassociate or associate with people .


    The issue where you have a point is if say Tom orchestrated the rest of the staff to boycott Kev and tell the gang to have nothing to do with him or else


    cancelling is boycotting someone . No fan of the current trend where many cases, it’s tenuous … but it isn’t always bullying .



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    If you take the longer view "cancel culture" is just a new moniker for a set of cultural boundaries which have always existed in every culture. Free speech is largely a comfortable myth we like to believe in. The pope got mentioned along with the banal "oh well they have excommunication, so..." stuff. Yep, they do. It was ultimate spiritual censure of those who strayed beyond the Church's teaching, couched in a way to nudge the straying back to the grace of God. If you wore sackcloth and repented you were back in, though there was usually a time period of reflection to make sure the 'fallen' weren't faking repentance.

    If JK Rowling wore sackcloth and ashes in public, threw a few quid towards Trans organisations and self flagellated her heresies on the talk show circuit, chances are very high she'd be back in. In a similar way to excommunication back in the day, the richer you were, the bigger earner, the quicker you'd get the arms of the Church opening back up. Or be as poor as a church mouse, a broken soul. That can work too as cultural churches de jour like to appear magnanimous. I suspect Linehan would have a harder sell. He's not rich enough, nor broken enough and he's male, which in the current culture is against him. Unless he came out as Trans and then the church doors would fly open.

    Every culture has its boundaries and censure for those boundaries being crossed and the majority of those within the culture accept these boundaries secondhand with little thought and either actively support these boundaries and censures or stand by looking the other way while they're enacted on others. Within cultures you always have the loud bible thumpers who set the harder edges, often on the fringe. Social media just gives them a wider pulpit. As i does the naysayers and heretics. The former try to exert pressure on the authorities to silence the latter. That's the real danger. That's how you arrive at 'accepted truths', no matter how daft. Though these 'accepted truths' rarely last for long, but those who hold them as gospel always think them immutable.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Graham Linehan enters the chat

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,187 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    What's mad is that some of these cancel culture people go back on a celebrities twitter from years ago. Can you imagine just sitting there for a few hours, always clicking load more tweets, examining each to see what could be used against them today? There's a certain amount of pettiness and vindictiveness involved. All against a person they've never met.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What would be sufficient objective proof to cause you to re-think your position? An example of what you would deem to be objective proof?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Trump wasn't cancelled lmao. He was kicked off Twitter for constantly breaking their rules, which Twitter even said he was allowed to get away with as the President of the US. He was literally the President, and he lost an election. That isn't cancelled.

    Alex Jones was similar, kicked off for repeatedly claiming things like Sandy Hook were false flags and that kids didn't die. He even went to court and said the Alex Jones character was an act and no reasonable person would believe it.

    Milo Yiannopoulos wasn't cancelled, more that he lost his already shrinking Alt-Right fan base when he made comments basically defending pedastry, also claiming it was "part of the gay world." (Hint: It's not)

    Here's the video where he literally says it's fine for a 13 year old to hook up with an adult. Unsurprisingly, his conservative fan base wasn't happy about that.

    JK Rowling isn't cancelled, merely getting people angry on twitter. She still tours, sells stuff and so on. She just happened to lose a big chunk of her original fan base.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Elvis Costello has cancelled himself!




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,819 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If you want to present wild claims, you'll need serious evidence if you want to be convincing.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't think it's a wild claim to suggest that Trump was cancelled when he was banned from Twitter. It was a fundamental part of his administration, rightly or wrongly, and by banning him they severed his most effective communication mechanism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    " the greatest trick the devil pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist "



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    He should have use it in accordance with the rules he agreed to when he signed up, so. And neither he nor anyone else should be surprised that a penalty that he agreed to was enacted when he didn't.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What’s being right wing got to do with opposition to cancel culture? Can’t centrists and even old school liberal leftists oppose campaigns against people, including academics, and be pro free speech.

    As for evidence, the onus is ok you to prove it doesn’t exist. That’s the extraordinary claim.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,819 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Twitter is just a private platform. It has a right to decide that it doesn't want to be a tool of modern fascism. That Trump's supporters are cultural refuse too stupid for the police and too craven for the army does not change this.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Hi, can you give me an example of one of those people who has lost their freedom of speech, thanks.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How kind of you to dismiss 75 million people as being stupid and craven. Shows how nuanced and open to opposing viewpoints you are.


    I look forward to a new platform (possibly this new "Gettr" platform) being subscribed by conservatives and by extension their enemies and this will make Twitter go the way of Yahoo, Bebo and Netscape. One behemoths but now gathering dust in an internet basement.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Already did. Although it was more freedom of employment in an academic setting, which is worse.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s not the same as not being a cancel culture, now is it. And as usual Trump or Fascism comes into this, somehow, as if any opposition to corporate censorship is fascist. The sheer stupidity is mind blowing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Internet activists looking to cancel people you say?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Graham Linehan is a particularly bad example because you can't really say that he was anything other than obsessed with hating trans-people. He spent every waking moment tweeting about them, doxxing the ones he didn't like, or trying to catfish them on LGBT dating apps. He is a person who needed to be removed from the Twitterverse for the sake of his own mental health.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,357 ✭✭✭✭Penn




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Is there an official board of cancels where you can check if someone has been cancelled? Is there any way one can redeem themselves after cancellation?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What has JK Rowling done wrong exactly? Standing up for women is being misrepresented as being transphobic. It's so ironic how women are being shamed and silenced once again for daring to stand up for themselves. Just not by the people you'd expect.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,819 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How deceitful of you to pretend I was talking about 75 million people. Thanks for providing a textbook example of why I have to ask for evidence though. I notice that you've not provided any for the cancel culture myth and are now going on about the new right wing safe space. Let's hope it goes the way of Parler.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,819 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I see you've ignored the basic facts that I never introduced either Trump or Twitter to this thread. The sheer stupidity is indeed mind blowing.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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