Cities around the world that are reducing car access

This is an interesting one and one which is already proposed for Galway. Cork & Dublin are to get congestion charges. It should be noted that In Nottingham and what is proposed for Galway allow for exemptions for employers with less than X spaces so it wouldn't impact small businesses, only mid to large scale employers. I think its 20 spaces in Nottingham currently. Also in Nottingham, the employers have chosen to pass the cost on to employees.

Eventually the 4 main cities will all have both as well as exclusion zones. Well if the latest proposals are anything to go by, but who knows how long until they introduce these things. Hopefully not too long

Your style of posting reminds me of conversations with the lads in the Occupy tents back when they were around. They really seemed to struggle to argue a single point and instead seemed intent on maintaining a stream of whataboutery as a strategy to win an argument but the fact that they never stuck to one single argument or point makes "winning" impossible.

Note, I have no problem engaging with you on any point, and already have done so, but you make it very difficult to even understand what you have issues with a lot of the time.

Ireland is a high cost economy, sure, no argument there, but then it has been that way for the last 15 years, which was only balanced by the 12.5% tax rate. It'll be interesting to see what happens once there is a min 15% rate agreed but it'll take 5-10 years post introduction before we'll have enough info to see the real impacts.

Not sure what any of that has to do with the thread topic though. Do you wish to start a thread on the Tax forum to discuss further, just drop me a link or do a @ mention if you do

No you didn't address it. You provided a string of words and felt smug.

I'm withdrawing until something of substance is added.

Posters here have not modelled the environment faithfully yet from a subjective perspective based on bias propose alterations to the model which will magically make it "better".

who are these "privileged few". There are 2.2 million registered cars in Ireland.

remove those who aren't yet allowed drive under the age of 17, those who have retired from driving and those who are fortunate enough to not need a car and then tell me who are these "privileged few".

You know there are very few one seater four wheeled vehicles on the road. You don't necessarily need to be gripping a steering wheel to be deriving benefit from the personal private transportation device which is a car.

Seeing as Cars are punitively taxed during acquisition and use in Ireland I think you are arguing from a very weak position.

I contribute nothing to cost of car infrastructure in Ireland. I'd thought that would have been clear. My taxes here however do contribute to a wonderful infrastructure system which interweaves roads with rail, high speed rail, light rail, aviation links, etc... all to the benefit of the Citizens and where planning of transportation policy is not in the hands of Radicals.

It sure would be nice not to have to put on Galoshes and Waterproofs along with the thinsulate gloves in order to enjoy the Infrastructure.

You really should focus more on the post and not the posters

and you ignore the graph showing how many months of the year it is deemed "comfortable". You're grasping.

Nonsense. You ignore "less rain", "less wind" and the amount of times it is deemed "comfortable". You are a funny bunch round here.

The weather in Ireland is inclement. There is no denying it.

Disagree. It can be unpleasant some days, sure, but they are few and far between and considering most journeys by bike at 20-30 mins max, its really not that big of a deal.

However, lets say for arguments sake I think you are right and say the weather is crap on X days of the year.

What point are you trying to make with this as the basis of your argument? If the weather is bad on X days, what conclusions are you drawing and how do they relate to the topic of the thread?

Magicbastarder, how much did your bike cost you again? I remember you bragging about it elsewhere. I think it would be fair to say you are raging and unapologetic proponent of Bicycles to the exclusion off all other transport. Your record speaks for itself on this sub-forum.

I see people claiming that 2.2million registered cars are used by the privileged few but when used as the transport medium for entire families cars are actually the majority and here we have a band of unreasonable people who want to ban them from Urban areas(the places where people live and work) without a jot of thought for the consequences.

No consideration as to whether quadricycles or Kei cars might be a happy medium. Prohibition from use in locations where people actually live in large volumes is the preferred solution. Discussion about reducing the rush hour volumes through changed work patterns drowned out. No, ban the nasty car, expel it from the City.

I see people claiming that Irish weather isn't so inclement when we all know there it is not at all suited to bike riding over long distances.

There is a huge difference between cycling a few hundred metres in densely populated cities to many kilometres in Dublin.

The Group Think on this forum has led to a misdiagnosis of the problem and led to the proposal of inappropriate solutions some of which would destroy the livelihoods of Citizens(and I'm not talking about the motor sales industry).

No, I meant this one in the group w@nk thread where cyclists brag about how much their bike is worth:

It does show how disingenuous you are that you don't mention it or did you get a 3k bike for 50 quid and then spent 150 euro repairing it.

I had to drag that out of you. You are the quality of poster I'm debating against.