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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's his fault because he doesn't want to get vaccinated, but still wants to earn millions in prize money where being vaccinated is a job requirement.

    Tennis Australia clearly have been trying to pull a fast one, as have the Victorian government, but that is an irrelevent distraction from the core problem - Djokovic is an entitled brat who wants the moola that comes with being vaccinated, while not wanting to be vaccinated. I fully support his entitlement to free will and decision as to whether he wants to be vaccinated, or not. But I don't support him wanting his cake and eating it too.

    Don't want the money, fine, don't get vaccinated, but if you do want the money, well then, there's an easy solution that doesn't involve trying to BS your way around rules and requirements.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    He didn’t say that though. He said he was opposed to the Covid one, and qualified this with the statement that if it became compulsory he’d have a decision to make. Just because certain posters only posted half a quote it doesn’t make it gospel.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1. I will not. Because that's not what I said. I never claimed Omicron affected anybody more harshly than previous variants, you're either unable to comprehend what I said or else you're deliberately misinterpreting my words to mean something they do not. Given your history on this thread recently, my money is on the latter.
    2. What I DID say is that Omicron is ripping through the unvaxxed and affecting them MORE HARSHLY THAN THE FULLY VAXXED? DO you see the difference? Would you like me to dumb it down a little further so you can understand it even better, or are we good?
    3. I've no fcuking clue what a wuhau is, are you trying to claim that is a variant of C-19?

    Your original point said the following......

    "then omicron came along and spread like wild fire through the double japped & boostered."

    First off, its's "jabbed" not "japped". For someone with such strong opinions, you'd think you'd know what you were talking about. To the uninformed, this statement implies that omicron is not spreading like wildfire through those who have not been vaccinated at all.

    This is a lie.

    I corrected that lie and said that Omicron affects the unvaxxed more harshly. You took that to mean that it affects them more harshly than the previous variants, or that's the impression you're giving at least.

    This is also a lie.

    I am now correcting that lie, and restating the point: "Omicron affects the unvaxxed more harshly than it affects the vaxxed". If you want proof, just look at hospital/ICU numbers and see how they are over-represented, per capita, by a factor of 9:1.

    If you need any further help trying to digest this info, please ask away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    There is no mandatory vaccination status in Australia, so it is not a “job requirement”. Stop pulling “facts” out of your arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭moonage


    So what if he is opposed to vaccination. He's entitled to that view.

    It's not a crime (yet).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I know one Phd who isn't a fan of the vaccine, so it's a generalisation at best but I beleive your theory is wrong. Asserting that people with Phd's don't engage in critical thinking is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    A Visa doesn't guarantee entry. You need to also comply with entry requirements.


    A visa does not guarantee entry, that decision remains the right of the immigration officials of the country concerned.

    - Australia Department of Foreign Affairs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The requirement is that governing entry to the country without quarantine - as entering Australia is part of the job, it's ipso facto a job requirement.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He didn't say "I'm opposed to the Covid vaccinations"

    He said "I'm opposed to vaccinations"

    You're the one who is claiming he meant something else.

    It is there, as clear as day, in black and white. You're adding your own little twist on it and trying to justify that by pointing to his comments about a choice to make. In no way does that qualify his first sentence to mean what you're saying it means.

    "I'm opposed to vaccinations.......If it becomes mandatory, then I'll have a decision to make" means, in my mind anyway, "I'm opposed to vaccinations.......if they become mandatory then I'll have to reconsider either a) which tournaments I play in or b) my opposition to vaccines". Just because he may have a future decision to make, that doesn't mean he's only opposed to the covid vaccine. You're making sh1t up to try defend your stance on this issue, when it's indefensible.

    Nice try, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    The rules were changed if he was initially told he could get a medical exemption, and then wasn't allowed in based on that medical exemption.

    The only way it makes sense to me otherwise is if the Victorian state gave exemptions based only on what someone says, and then his actual paperwork was only checked after he arrived in Australia.

    The fact that several players have this issue now suggests to me that it isn't the players at fault, but the application process.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,755 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    What are you on about? I didn't say it was. There are multiple people here saying he isn't against vaccination....when he clearly is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes but as a baby he didn't refuse vaccines, so how can he be "anti-vax", checkmate!



  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So yeah some of the other exemption holders and visa holders (like Djokovic) got entry (some were even already playing tennis tournaments in Australia ffs!) but now they are being thrown out.

    It's all very consistent! (retrospectively of course!)

    It's complete retrospective arse-covering bullshit.

    Even a small child can see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    He filled in the form to satisfy Tennis Australia, but not the Australian Government.

    Imagine if the GAA told Boterzacht Kunt, the unvaccinated South African hurling star, that he could come over and play in a challenge match against Kilkenny and the Irish government wouldn't let him in because he didn't fulfill the entry requirements in to the country. It's like that. Who cares what the GAA think, the real issue is why is this Kunt is flitting about from country to country without a vaccine in the first place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,579 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Also tradesmen are counted in the population so when you see that 94% of the adult population are vaccinated that means those critically thinking tradesmen to a large extent agree with the PhD graduates.

    Also I love this 1930s use of tradesmen as an archetype of the "uneducated common man". Such an absolute load of sht



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    That's fair, but if his visa was granted based on his medical exemption, and then his medical exemption wasn't accepted at the border then its a bit of a strange situation.

    You can be granted a visa to enter the country but the visa and the documentation you used to get the visa isn't sufficient to enter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,755 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    There are a lot of ifs there. I am sure it will all come out.

    The "failed to provide appropriate evidence" is a direct quote.

    I have read some suggestions he might have thought he would be given access due to the fact he previously had covid...but that was a long time ago I think?

    Simplest thing...get the vaccine...mad I know. Other players have been hit fairly bad by covid e.g. jo konta.

    Other players who won't get vaccinated have just not gone including the Australian woman's number one. If Djokovic felt so strongly he should have done the same.


    One player who I genuinely feel sorry for is Natalia Vikhlyantseva..she has been fully vaccinated with sputnik, but australia are refusing her entry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'Also I love this 1930s use of tradesmen as an archetype of the "uneducated common man". Such an absolute load of sht'

    Right but isn't an apprenticeship effectively an alternative to a college degree? So tradesmen are less educated on average given that college in the norm for so many people, probably moreso now than in the 1930s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Except that's just not true. Tennis Australia, just like the GAA, cannot issue visas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,755 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I totally disagree...we should let in someone with that name automatically...think of the hilarious commentary and headlines!



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  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    If he was granted entry to the country based on X, Y and Z.......then it later turns out that

    • he wasn't completely truthful about X or that
    • Y didn't apply to him or
    • he got his doctor to lie about Z

    then there should be no qualms about the grant of entry to be revoked.


    Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? Please note I'm not asking you whether these currently apply to Novax, I'm just asking if you agree with the statement, in principle. Yes or no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,579 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He got Covid ages back during that full capacity no distancing tournament he held in the middle of the first wave back in 2020 which was abandoned half way through cause they all got Covid just like the experts said would happen.

    Not sure if he got it again



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The vast, vast majority of trades require some degree of classroom/theory modules. Some of them are quite extensive, though obviously not on the level of a doctorate.

    Also, Calling them 'less educated" is a damn sight different to calling them uneducated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    There's still a lot unknown here.

    It's entirely possible that a visa was granted subject to some evidence being presented at the border, that wasn't presented. It's also entirely possible that in a fast-changing COVID environment, the rules were applied inconsistently between the State of Victoria and the Federal Government.


    I feel a bit sorry for him. He seems like a nice enough guy and he now finds himself somewhat unwittingly in the middle of a row much bigger than his own particular case, which can only hurt him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Well exactly.

    “Tennis Australia said that he could play and that’s fine, that’s their call, but we make the call at the border,” [Prime Minister Scott] Morrison said on Thursday.*

    This isn't really an Australia issue, this is a spoiled brat anti-vaxxer issue. He thought he could waltz on into Australia without a vaccine during a pandemic and it blew up in his face. What a twat. :D And as for anyone defending Djokovic? They are what the Serbs call a "корисни идиот."




    *Srce: https://7news.com.au/sport/tennis/prime-minister-scott-morrison-lays-blame-on-tennis-australia-and-novak-djokovic-in-deportation-saga-c-5203173



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed. Multiple instances of you claiming he's not antivax when he clearly stated he is, multiple times. Making stuff up hardly covers it. Good luck yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    I'd say he's gone off to have an argument with his shadow.



  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sorry none of that really makes any sense in the light of the additional context of the bullshit that has since gone down in booting out the other players who got the same exemption and visa and were already let into the country.

    what's x, y and z?

    you trying to force me to agree with some statement with unknown parameters in some sort of " you must answer this gun-to-the-head question with unknown factors right now" is not something I consider relevant.

    I will say that information provided by anyone should be truthful and kosher of course

    The Australian State of Victoria government had already assessed Djokovic's application for exemption and approved it

    The Federal Government, the prime minister himself, Scott Morrison, vowed to honour the State's decision a few days ago!

    On Tuesday, he said federal authorities, who control the borders, would "act in accordance" with the state's decision as "that's how it works".

    Djokovic had been granted a visa for Australia by the federal government

    This visa had been re-checked again before taking off for his final leg to Australia

    If it was just some issue with Djokovic there would be no need to fcuk out the other players who had the same exemption and visa as him who were already into Australia. Would there!?

    Players that were already in the country, playing in tennis tournaments already.

    If you can't see that the whole thing stinks to high-hell as this point of political arse-covering at the highest level well I can't do anything for you there....



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  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If he was granted a visa based on information which was subsequently proven to be false, would you have any issues with his (or anyone else's) visa being revoked, is the question I'm asking.

    I'm not saying that's what happened with Djokovic, I'm asking you if you would have an issue with it, if it turns out to be the case?



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