Anyone know what is his medical exception?
Trying to maintain order lol
As has been said many times, they are separating families and barring people from their parent's funerals.
Yet zero covid is a failure and covid isn't severe to most people anyway.
Who is really being gullible?
They should stand down their ribbon parade of red tape for everyone's sake.
I don't care what you're interested in being narrowed down to.....I'm not trying to narrow you down to anything.
I'm trying to show you that the claim "BUT HE WAS GRANTED A VISA BY THE GUBBERMINT, THEREFORE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED PLAY" is a complete load of bollocks.
If entry visas can be granted, refused and withdrawn at the whim of those who grant or refuse them, which is the real context of the overall picture here, then being granted one means sweet fcuk all in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, he was granted entry. That entry was revoked because of [reasons]. Nobody really knows what those reasons truthfully are, but it doesn't matter what they are, in the grand scheme of things.
He was granted entry. That was then subsequently revoked. He no longer qualifies for entry. For you, and others, to then say "but but but but but he was granted a visa!!!!!" like it is some sort of permanent condition which cannot be altered.....it just doesn't hold water.
One last question, to hammer home the point:
If he said that he was medically exempt from getting the vaccines, provided a doctor's cert to prove he was medically exempt, was given a visa based on that cert, and the the cert then turned out to be false/faked/untrue, should he be allowed to enter the country?
I’d argue that anyone with such flagrant anti-vax sentiments being given “special treatment”, and a further platform to influence others, in a country trying to maintain order during a pandemic, is a danger to everyone.
Especially to those more gullible, and vulnerable.
Oh okay so everybody should be tested constantly. Do you have any idea how much money that would cost? Or how much time it would waste? Vaccines passes are better in every single way, assuming you’re not some thick **** who refuses to get vaccinated.
Wasn't stupid, they just tested everyone, no one was a danger to anyone. Novak is no danger to anyone this time round.
Thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of Australian citizens have been stuck outside the country during the lockdown in Australia, some separated from their children or missing their parent's funerals.
The idea of Australia having special rules for 'top players' is not going to work.
So if they did something stupid last year they should do it this year?
They were happy to hold the tournament last year when no player had a vaccine. As if one Covid Negative player with antibodies from having covid is a risk to anyone. Total jobsworth nation
I think it’s more of a significant benefit to the Australian population if they don’t let in unvaccinated people. So it’s win-win. Djokovic can be proud of himself for wasting everyone’s time and the Aussie kept another anti vaxxer loon out!
Last summer during the Euros football championship in England, 2500 people (EUEFA and FIFA VIPs, executives working for tournament sponsors and broadcasters) were given exemptions from quarantine rules.
The Australians are just being pig-headed by not letting the top player in. "Rules is rules" and all that, but everyone can see that the rule makes no sense—a vaccinated Djokovic will be no safer to the public health than a vaccine free Djokovic.
Djokovic should be proud of himself. It'll be the Australian Open's loss if he doesn't play.
It’s almost like politicians don’t police the borders themselves. When you buy a carton of milk do you think it’s the minister of agriculture working the tills?
I'm not interested in being narrowed down to some finite point when what is actually relevant is the context of the overall picture - it's non-sensical and is not how the real-world works.
I already said that any information provided should be truthful in my last post which in fact already answers the repeat question here.
That would be very clear if he hadn't said this 2 days previously.
Initially, Mr Morrison had said he accepted the Victorian government's decision to grant Djokovic and other tennis players medical exemptions. On Tuesday, he said federal authorities, who control the borders, would "act in accordance" with the state's decision as "that's how it works".
Its almost like he's a politician under pressure and changed his statements based on public opinion.
If he was granted a visa based on information which was subsequently proven to be false, would you have any issues with his (or anyone else's) visa being revoked, is the question I'm asking.
I'm not saying that's what happened with Djokovic, I'm asking you if you would have an issue with it, if it turns out to be the case?
Sorry none of that really makes any sense in the light of the additional context of the bullshit that has since gone down in booting out the other players who got the same exemption and visa and were already let into the country.
what's x, y and z?
you trying to force me to agree with some statement with unknown parameters in some sort of " you must answer this gun-to-the-head question with unknown factors right now" is not something I consider relevant.
I will say that information provided by anyone should be truthful and kosher of course
The Australian State of Victoria government had already assessed Djokovic's application for exemption and approved it
The Federal Government, the prime minister himself, Scott Morrison, vowed to honour the State's decision a few days ago!
On Tuesday, he said federal authorities, who control the borders, would "act in accordance" with the state's decision as "that's how it works".
Djokovic had been granted a visa for Australia by the federal government
This visa had been re-checked again before taking off for his final leg to Australia
If it was just some issue with Djokovic there would be no need to fcuk out the other players who had the same exemption and visa as him who were already into Australia. Would there!?
Players that were already in the country, playing in tennis tournaments already.
If you can't see that the whole thing stinks to high-hell as this point of political arse-covering at the highest level well I can't do anything for you there....
I'd say he's gone off to have an argument with his shadow.
Indeed. Multiple instances of you claiming he's not antivax when he clearly stated he is, multiple times. Making stuff up hardly covers it. Good luck yourself.
Fair enough, I didn't mean any offense.
Well exactly.
“Tennis Australia said that he could play and that’s fine, that’s their call, but we make the call at the border,” [Prime Minister Scott] Morrison said on Thursday.*
This isn't really an Australia issue, this is a spoiled brat anti-vaxxer issue. He thought he could waltz on into Australia without a vaccine during a pandemic and it blew up in his face. What a twat. :D And as for anyone defending Djokovic? They are what the Serbs call a "корисни идиот."
*Srce: https://7news.com.au/sport/tennis/prime-minister-scott-morrison-lays-blame-on-tennis-australia-and-novak-djokovic-in-deportation-saga-c-5203173
There's still a lot unknown here.
It's entirely possible that a visa was granted subject to some evidence being presented at the border, that wasn't presented. It's also entirely possible that in a fast-changing COVID environment, the rules were applied inconsistently between the State of Victoria and the Federal Government.
I feel a bit sorry for him. He seems like a nice enough guy and he now finds himself somewhat unwittingly in the middle of a row much bigger than his own particular case, which can only hurt him.
The vast, vast majority of trades require some degree of classroom/theory modules. Some of them are quite extensive, though obviously not on the level of a doctorate.
Also, Calling them 'less educated" is a damn sight different to calling them uneducated.
He got Covid ages back during that full capacity no distancing tournament he held in the middle of the first wave back in 2020 which was abandoned half way through cause they all got Covid just like the experts said would happen.
Not sure if he got it again
If he was granted entry to the country based on X, Y and Z.......then it later turns out that
then there should be no qualms about the grant of entry to be revoked.
Do you agree or disagree with the above statement? Please note I'm not asking you whether these currently apply to Novax, I'm just asking if you agree with the statement, in principle. Yes or no?
I totally disagree...we should let in someone with that name automatically...think of the hilarious commentary and headlines!
Except that's just not true. Tennis Australia, just like the GAA, cannot issue visas.
'Also I love this 1930s use of tradesmen as an archetype of the "uneducated common man". Such an absolute load of sht'
Right but isn't an apprenticeship effectively an alternative to a college degree? So tradesmen are less educated on average given that college in the norm for so many people, probably moreso now than in the 1930s.
There are a lot of ifs there. I am sure it will all come out.
The "failed to provide appropriate evidence" is a direct quote.
I have read some suggestions he might have thought he would be given access due to the fact he previously had covid...but that was a long time ago I think?
Simplest thing...get the vaccine...mad I know. Other players have been hit fairly bad by covid e.g. jo konta.
Other players who won't get vaccinated have just not gone including the Australian woman's number one. If Djokovic felt so strongly he should have done the same.
One player who I genuinely feel sorry for is Natalia Vikhlyantseva..she has been fully vaccinated with sputnik, but australia are refusing her entry.
That's fair, but if his visa was granted based on his medical exemption, and then his medical exemption wasn't accepted at the border then its a bit of a strange situation.
You can be granted a visa to enter the country but the visa and the documentation you used to get the visa isn't sufficient to enter.
Also tradesmen are counted in the population so when you see that 94% of the adult population are vaccinated that means those critically thinking tradesmen to a large extent agree with the PhD graduates.
Also I love this 1930s use of tradesmen as an archetype of the "uneducated common man". Such an absolute load of sht
He filled in the form to satisfy Tennis Australia, but not the Australian Government.
Imagine if the GAA told Boterzacht Kunt, the unvaccinated South African hurling star, that he could come over and play in a challenge match against Kilkenny and the Irish government wouldn't let him in because he didn't fulfill the entry requirements in to the country. It's like that. Who cares what the GAA think, the real issue is why is this Kunt is flitting about from country to country without a vaccine in the first place?
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