Climate Bolloxolgy.

Would any sort of re wetting need to be agreed by all people in an area, like the greenways? I imagine you couldn't rewet one farm, without impacting your next door neighbour? I stand to be corrected here though, as don't know a lot about bogs, thankfully 😉

On the carbon credits - if the arse fell out of carbon credits, but farming incomes took off - could you drain the land again and start farming I wonder?

I’m sure plenty here old enough to remember that we had a 5p return on glass bottles here up to late 70’s

But that is what he's wishing for its an environmentalists wet dream 🙄ed Sheeran and company who buys up all the dirty polluting farmers land and plant it and hey presto everyone is saved

Would be better off if there was no carbon trading. Ag and forestry are the only sectors that consume carbon, keep it within the sectors. Let every other sector stop/ reduce producing carbon and the world will be a lot better off

Farmers won't own it! Christ lads, cop on. There's no way farmers will be let own this. What will happen is that some "scheme" will be set up and farmers will get a few euro per acre for their work. Lets call it an environmental scheme! And the credits then are controlled by the department who will sell them on to whoever. Probably fossil fuel companies who will then plaster ads all over the shop saying how "green" their fuel is. It's only green because they've bought credits from the government. A few years down the line when this is lucrative business, it will be sold to a private business and the payment in the schemes will reduce/stop.

Bottom line, farmers/landowners will see sweet **** all of the money that will change hands but will still be hamstrung by regulations and limitations as to what they can do on their own land.

Fair point, I guess I was viewing it in terms of airlines, car manufacturers whatever offsetting what they produce into another sector as opposed to doing what they can within.

If it can be kept within sectors what you suggest could happen but I'd imagine if it's broken down into individual entities the argument would be made why should alps or mooooo operation offset against another entity if Micheal O Leary can't.

Great to compare myself to Michael O Leary lol

Hes not far off having enough ground himself!

Least he’s farming, lots doing same not farming

Had the pleasure of a visit there 20 years ago...good farmer too..

Was up there as well. He is in fairness to him, Farm manager is excellent as well.

I know yeah, more tillage is the aim for it afaik. Anyone in that sphere tho where there are negative interest rates etc, land is a big option, esp when he is buying it at somewhat normal prices compared to the likes of coolmore paying double ag values

All comes down to labour. It rises and falls with labour.

Look at all the farm jobs advertised now looking for labour. People won't work in those jobs.

Same with ground and shed work. Crews are not what they were and the long established firms are barely going for lack of labour.

Back to the thread topic. The big push for re - wilding. (It's a stupid word anyways as it implies nature and agriculture are opposites and not coexisting. ) Is because of the labour issue. It allows whoever owns the land to greenwash to their hearts content. Sit in their office. Put it on their literature, carbon budgets, whatever. And not having to worry about Jimmy or Mary not turning up for work in the morning.

And most likely if they get their way well paid in that office for doing so.

World and especially this country is getting lazier every year. And expecting to be financially rewarded and praised for the laziness. Green politics.

A good few factors in that, a share of them historical as well. Current one prob the fact that in most other countries, bar those where land is used to pass on wealth, the biggest driver of value is the economic return from agricultural activity which is why it is cheaper in other countries. Also land doesn't change hands often here and when it does a share of the time it is money from outside of ag returns that pays for it.

Plenty of other reasons as well, France is a more socialist country and have controls on land rental and value afaik, other countries its can be sheer scale as well as the likes of Poland only catching up economically recently, aside from political and stability reasons in different countries as well.

One of the biggest drivers of land prices is the Agricultural relief on inheritance. You need not even inherit a farm it could be a house in the town, then you can convert the value of the house and buy farmland thus avoiding inheritance tax.

Another driver of land prices is state sponsored forestry, i.e coillte, they have put a baseline price on even the most marginal quality land.

Third reason would again be forestry related whereby there is huge tax relief from forestry investments

other reasons would be small sized land parcels tend to be more common and are more expensive as they are within the reach of many. Also planning and the one off housing that is allowed in the Irish countryside.

Not as much greed and coveting by neighbours but it does exist.

Prices in Ireland are crazy, you can buy Grade A land in England for less money, and I mean Grade A land, far more productive than anything here