Rose Of Tralee now accepting trans applicants (Threadbanned List in OP)

My gender is fluid but I currently identify as a women and will for the remainder of this competition. Ok contestant, welcome to the competition.

Even more than the bullshit and crap some people spout on here?

But they identify as a women at the time, so can enter the competition.

what if they only identify as genderfluid some of the time?

I guess only the organisers can answer tht.

Your argument is like saying that a bisexual person is heterosexual if in a relationship with someone of the opposite gender and homosexual if in one with someone of the same.

They are not gay sometimes, straight other times. They are always bisexual.

But they could identify as being straight when in a relationship with a person of the opposite sex and homosexual when in a relationship with someone of the same sex, no?

Gender fluid people are gender fluid all the time. That is how they identify. Hence "fluid."

If asked "do you identify as a woman full stop" the answer is no and/or sometimes. The answer is not "yes".

'Ok, then. Do you identify as a women full stop?

'Sometimes'

'What about now?'

'Yes'

'Welcome to the competition.'

If, for the sake of your increasingly desperate clutching at fluid straws this hypothetical gender fluid but currently identified as a woman biologically male is accepted as a contestant in The Rose of Tralee but before the final start to identify as a man they would be disqualified as only people who identify as women may compete.

Only if they decided to tell someone how they now identified. If they don't, no-one will know bar them.

Sorry I didn't get to this earlier and forgive me Mod but I'm going to respond to this one if it's a bit off topic, some of it anyway.

Of course Jack it did not go over my head as you seem to think it has that you seem to think I'm being either so hypocritical or blind not to see what you meant the first time in relation my gay self making comments about 'disorders'.

But the reason I don't accept this is that I'm perfectly open to homosexuality specifically being a disorder or 'condition'. Because I don't think all disorders are necessarily inherently bad. It all depends. So a serial killer who kills for the thrill of it certainly has some kind of disorder which is bad for society and homosexuality is clearly not in the same league as that or anything close. 

I've always only argued that even if homosexuality is a 'condition' it doesn't have negative consequences to anyone else, therefore nothing warrants being 'done' about it. I know some people will but they lost the argument. I personally never made the 'born this way' argument, I'm quite happy to think that during my formative sexual awakening years the idea struck me when I was young, and it stuck. Yes I am actually saying perhaps I found it 'kinky' and that basically explains it. And I wouldn't be offended if a third party made such a suggestion - as long as they don't use it as an excuse to force me into conversion therapy or whatever other ideas they might have. So, I am not suffering the cognitive dissonance you seem to think I'm suffering from. You could be right about everything else but you're not right about that.

And in even holding my view that some find objectionable to 'say' it is not incompatible with a view either that being gay is 'all part of the colourfulness and diversity of life that has always existed in the beginning of time'. I can think about it in that way as well concurrently. 

That some homophobe might say well that homo AllForIt said he has a disorder therefore since he thinks he's a disordered person therefore I'm right all along; I would say no, he's extrapolating what I said into something else to justify his phobic intentions. I would argue with him that my homosexuality has no more bearing on him than a person born with Down Syndrome does, so said phobe has no right to be phobic based on my opinions which don't justify his intentions. I think the gay rights argument was won on my argument rather than the 'we were born this way' one. I don't get outraged by the 'condition' view, which I've read on the A&A forum once, because even if it is, it's an utterly trivial one afaic, so I'm not offended.

Now I can see the counter argument to that already, why don't you just apply that same logic to gender-ID. Well I do but all these threads are essentially about how gender-id affects other people (in ways homosexuality doesn't). I know they will hardly ever effect me personally and they'll hardly affect you either but here we both are.

Now as for my latest comments @km991148 did make the good point earlier that this place is not necessarily the best place to discuss these things. Because people are just going to be overly sensitive and say "YOU CAN'T SAY THAT". Because after all we live in a society where there are things you can't say for fear of offence when sometimes one is just speaking there mind without any insult intended, like I have been. And anyway, I think my comments stung because some are afraid there is truth in what I said.

Now I recall as it's relevant, this old documentary on bbc iplayer recently about a transwoman where she was to undergo some years of psychological evaluation on the NHS before she got the transitional surgery she wanted. Surely you wouldn't expect the psychologists treating here to just say 'Oh of course you can have your surgery Julia, as people like you have been recognized in society since time immemorial, celebrated in cultures around the world, so pop in tomorrow and we'll being; as if there's no psychological dimension to anything and the clinician can't discuss things in a matter of fact professional way because if they do wider society might say 'ah ha! disorder disorder', string em up. The clinical psychologist are hardly responsible for what bad arguments other people make and can hardly be shut down in case it gives other people an excuse to come to phobic conclusions and intentions.

Biphobic? By what, saying someone can identify as straight when going out with someone of the opposite sex or identify as gay when going out with someone of the same sex if they so choose. What is biphobic about that?

Remember, it's you who believes that when someone identifies as something then they become that something, not me.

Last line ^. For the RoT - only if they are of Irish descent. Though I suspect that is also a criteria which could face some possible future propitiation

It will be interesting to see whether the many trans beauty competitions will now start allowing non trans people to compete.

Well it has as much to do with anything as your hyperbolic claims about trans murders.