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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭History Queen


    The ISSU is looking for a staggered return too. As are the National Parent's Association.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    How many less healthcare staff will be able to work if this goes ahead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭acequion


    Time lost??? No idea where you've been since the start of the pandemic! Under a rock if you don't realise that teachers and a vast majority of students did the work online. A minority may not have but you will always get that in every walk of life. So why would you punish the majority by cancelling holidays? Hard working kids who followed their classes online, you'd cancel their holiday would you? And you're clearly not aware that oral exams are now scheduled to take place during the Easter break. How would you manage your punishing regime? Have them go to classes in the morning perhaps, classes they already did online and then do their oral exam later on until whatever time. Would that keep you happy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    The way it was implied it seemed that way, although I'm not educated enough to give you a definite answer, only what I saw passing the sitting room.

    Anyway, there's this interesting article too.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I'm not necessarily advocating for it. I was just pointing out that other groups are calling for a staggered return too.

    Why there is so much reluctance on behalf of the Dept, to put some more safety measures in to schools, so that conversations like this don't need to happen, is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    This new variant is not a risk though, covid is over for the uk, a bit late for measures now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Anyone who thinks this is about additional “safety measures” in schools is deluded.

    The teaching unions and parents council should read the report released today about how student mental health has suffered as a result of schools being closed. It’s a disgrace that unions are even considering another closure … and I say that as a teacher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Sure, but for many, Christmas and New year also come with bad headaches



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Still transmits and still a risk for some as far as I know? Happy to be corrected. To be honest I'm happier if we open as planned but I am a bit nervous.

    If you read the reports so far on the effects school closures had on students you'll see that it is quite scathing of the lack of mitigation measures. Or listen to what the author of the report himself says.


    "We don't want to expose children's health to any dangers if we can avoid it, but the issue here is that school closures should be the very last resort rather than looking at school closures as something we should do before we invest in other mitigation measures in schools," Professor O'Mahony said.


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/parents-association-calls-for-staggered-reopening-of-schools-amid-omicron-surge-1237088.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Well if Scotland is correct in saying that out hundreds of thousands of cases of Omicron in the last 5 weeks or so only one has required icu then i would suggest that those who are at risk from this varient are outliers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    The report on the impact of school closures on student mental health really needs to be considered very carefully by any teachers supporting school closures. The public won’t support us in the same way as last year … I predict genuine, and justified, anger from parents if the teaching unions force school closures

    ”We don't want to expose children's health to any dangers if we can avoid it, but the issue here is that school closures should be the very last resort rather than looking at school closures as something we should do before we invest in other mitigation measures in schools," Professor O'Mahony said.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/parents-association-calls-for-staggered-reopening-of-schools-amid-omicron-surge-1237088.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭grind gremlin


    If schools reopen on Thursday, with current level of mitigation’s and current case levels, how do people honestly think it will play out?

    Rolling absences of pupils, an endless stream of calls to the HSE and parents as cases appear in classes. Parents and staff unable to get a pcr test to confirm cases. A constant stream of children being sent home with symptoms. Children having to be antigen tested constantly as cases appear in their pod. Whole families isolating as close contacts. This will be on a much larger scale than what we saw in December. (Most days I had attendance levels of 75-80%).

    Attempts at getting back to normal will result in a classroom environment that is far from normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    Would you not contact your local union shop steward and let them know your views. If enough like minded colleagues do thst the shop stewards are mandated to bring this forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Done. But I don’t think it’ll make any difference. I have a suspicion that a bigger game is being played here.



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    If schools can’t open now with all teachers who want to be triple vaxxed, secondary school students vaxxed & masked, and now primary students being offered the vaccine (and masked from 9 up), then when can they?

    I’ll be so disillusioned if the into try to block the return of primaries. I do believe there’s a majority of silent teachers who are happy to be back Thursday, like myself, who realise that this zero risk fanaticism is impossible.

    All staggering starts do is push any problem down the line. Omicron won’t magically disappear and the department won’t magically fit out every classroom with filters. There has to be some realism here. Our unions are destroying our profession by pandering to the small small amount who may feel or be unsafe in the classroom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    You may think your voice isn't heard but if enough union members contact their shoppie, the issue can't be ignored. Hear what you're saying about the bigger picture. Go over shoppie's head to branch secretary if needs be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    yea parents getting pissed falling around the place worrying about their kids mental health while out of school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Ya this is what I'm expecting going back, but to be honest, I don't think people care, or maybe they aren't aware. Who knows?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    I’m all for a full reopening if we could drop testing and isolation requirements. Life would be back to normal then. There’s relatively nobody sick anymore bar some people experiencing a cold or flu like symptoms. Normal this time of year.

    However given the current testing and isolation requirements it would a complete sh1tshow due to staff shortages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Most teachers I know have no problem returning to school on Thursday. But out of 5 mainstream teachers in my school 3 will be missing this week, myself included. My family are waiting on a PCR test since Sat and so far no text for appointment.

    I'm sure this will be repeated across the country. The rules on isolation time periods need to be changed. Healthy (unvaccinated) children who are household contacts should not have to isolate for 14 days! Aside from causing problems for working parents it also causes massive problems in the classroom. How can the teacher move forward with teaching and learning if half the class is missing? I totally understand about the issues with mental health but there are also wider issues that noone is talking about. The long waiting lists for pretty much everything are huge. Assessments, SLT, OT. School closing for a week or 2 isn't the biggest issue here. The fallout from covid is going to be going on for years.



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    I’d absolute advocate for reduced isolation times and rules etc. Didn’t mention it as unlikely to be a goer with some unions opposing a normal return full stop.

    It might take 1 or 2 weeks of silliness with staff out because of the rules for something to be changed.

    So true about waiting lists too. We’ve had applications for therapists stonewalled with years delays due to some supports essentially downing tools or failing to replace professionals seconded to vaccine/testing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Well I know from my situation if my husband or I do test positive in the coming days my kids have to stay home for 2 weeks. I know due to my husbands job I'll have to stay with them. We have been so lucky up to now in that my parents would look after them but I can't ask them to do that. So even tho they are well and healthy they can't go to school which means I can't go to work. I know this is not unique to the teaching profession and its across all sectors but its crazy to expect kids to stay out that long when they are usually fine within a couple of days.


    I can see the rules being changed in the coming weeks also as its just unsustainable to keep going with the current rules. For all of society! Not just education


    Our neps psychologist is unavailable at the moment. No replacement available. Post checked once a week and whoever picks it up will get back to us whenever it suits them. I have a child waiting on an AON and when they receive it will go on another waiting list that is currently 18 months to 2 years to be seen! This is not acceptable but noone is talking about that!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Voice for teachers had Gerry Killeen on tonight on their webinar. Easy to see where the unions and groups have attached their masts to.

    Disappointing they can’t see through his and his makeup-up lobby group (ISAG) emotional blackmail. Easy to see where all this is coming from if the unions in bed with the zero Covid fanatics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    I had it on and when I seen he was on I turned it off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Jizique


    That is bonkers, the guy is hard core and has been away for most of the last year - Omicron is not March 2020 covid, >90% of country vaxed, time to move on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Jizique





  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Indeed. Though the unions aren’t on their own. Whole political parties got taken in by the zero Covid charade, don’t think the Social Democrats have ever recovered from going full crazy on that.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I seen a Mairead mentioned too. Is that the one who quit teaching over Covid and now has gone full on mad #protectthechildren on social media?



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