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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    You may have missed the point that person was imagining.

    Imagine and what if is what made this situation look much worse than it really was. And they want to "imagine what if" again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Even if your another pcr come back negative you should stay home. Why would you want to give flu or cold to as you say medically vulnerable people in the office?

    Problem here lies that if you are in low paid job without medical benefits if it is not covid then there is no enhanced illness benefit and classic illness benefit does not cover first week anyway. Payment is also delayed quite severely due to so many cases they have to deal with.

    And if you are in low paid job and have misfortune to rent privately then you can not afford not to go to work even though you do have flu or cold. People in that position can be seen daily in their jobs as they simply have to carry on despite that some posters try to put some social stigma or shame on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think Omicron made things much worse. I don't think anyone imagined Omicron into existence any more than they imagined the end of the pandemic into existence.

    What exactly do you mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah being in a low paid without paid sick leave etc like the gig economy or without guaranteed hours, complicates the issue. But the principle is the same and someone with covid/flu symptoms should stay home at the moment.

    The poster didn't say anything about their work circumstances said say stay home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Bikerguy


    You nailed it.....i mean you literally just said whats going on deep down there...


    Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭PropJoe10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Interesting reasoning as to why we are seeing more children in hospital with the Omicron wave than prior waves.




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Is this true? The antigen tests I bought from Tesco instructed me to nasal swab only, not the throat.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Presumably they were ordered before Omicron emerged



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    At this point all i can say is whatever anybody has to say about SarsCov2 better be either in hindsight or with actual up to date data instead of seeking to 'inform the public about viruses', standing on one leg and juggling a few balls and feeling very smart about themselves..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    If I knew two years ago that all this was going to happen I'd have invested in companies that make the test kits. They sold out quicker than bread and toilet paper during the 18 hour snow storm a few years ago. The one that was going to melt away because the weather satellites showed a mild front coming in behind. But yet people were worried about white bread and wiping their ass over the next 18 Hours or day.

    Now people are stocking up on test kits and probably like a new religion, religiously testing themselves, spouse and kid's every second day.

    It's all nut's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Luckily I'm in a well paid job in pharma industry. Getting vibes from our manager re if its not covid I'm needed back ASAP, specialised work and production needs.

    I have gotten the flu vaccine and I'm really baffled if this isn't covid why has it knocked me for six



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't pay any attention to the latest research. I note what people any about the latest research (good news and bad) and wait for the preponderance of evidence before even thinking I know what's happening.

    The cutting edge evidence is interesting to an extent as it indicates what might be the case, but I think that's where all these chats go wrong. There's so much research that you could always find evidence to support your prejudice. And then when it doesn't become the concensus view, you can move on to the next piece of brand new research that supports your prejudice. Or you can just wait and see what's actually happening and what the consensus view is and how it evolves.

    The latter is a bit boring by comparison but it's much more likely to be genuinely informed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Testing everfew days is not really nuts right now. If you have the tests, now is the time to use them.

    I've been moving between my mother's house and my parents in law's house over Christmas so we've been testing every few days and on the morning when we move between houses.

    I'm really surprised that the term 'patriotic' hasn't been used in relation to this. It's a small thing you can do for your fellow citizen to make sure you're not spreading covid. The more covid the more likelihood of greater restrictions and all the harm they bring.

    It feels like terms associated with patriotism are used by people who want to cause harm and be against others. This seems like a small patriotic thing by our can do for your fellow citizen and for the country as a whole. I can't see why anyone would think it's nuts to do your but to ensure you're not spreading covid right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    If you've all been vaccinated what's the story then ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yes, I'm vaccinated and boostered. Its about the difference between me getting sick from covid and me passing it to someone else who would be more likely to get sick from covid. I want to know if I have it so I can isolate and not pass it to my fellow citizen and the people in my mother's house and my parents in law's house. I'm not really worried about being sick myself as I'm relatively young fit and healthy so lower risk of being badly sick myself.

    Didn't you get that from my post? What did you think i meant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    Why do you have to sanctify how patriotic and caring you are, that's your own business.

    But do you remember when we were told that the vaccines were 95% efficient and boosters gave us an exaggerated percentage of confidence and trust in the science.

    I do but watching the lies and contradictions throughout this whole pandemic, I don't know what to trust now.

    Omnicron is supposedly like a cold at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I just see it as an obvious small thing you can do for your country and your fellow l citizen. Isn't thst a small patriotic act? If that's not an example of a small patriotic thing to do, then maybe i don't understand patriotism. I suppose the kind of people who see doing the tests as a small patriotic act arent the kind of people who bang on about patriotism and that's probably why it isn't typically discussed in those terms.

    I already said I don't fall for every new piece of evidence (and gave the reasons) and that I just taken the relatively boring approach of waiting for the preponderance of evidence and see how that evolves (and gave the reasons why I take that approac). I acknowledged the early rearsearch, treated it as early research and waited to see what the longer term research confirmed. What do you do with the evidence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    Very interesting, in a way it shows how those people are able to be turned from liberals to the total opposite.

    In a strange way it's like a religion to them and they found what they're looking for.

    It ticks all their inequity boxes, validation, white knight, virtue, control, not to mention much worse.

    I've seen so called liberals not talk to their dads and mum's who wouldn't take the magic elixir. Going around telling everyone they meet about being vaccinated, even going as far as posting their private medical history on Instagram..... absolutely unecessary.

    Any trend on social media I recoil like a month from a hot flame.... from bucks fizz making your mind up to the Ice bucket challenge.....it's all following the herd and ok it's a bit of fun and their own business.... but I am a bit odd lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Do you see me doing any of that stuff you mentioned? Does doing a quick test to make sure I don't have covid and won't pass it to my fellow citizen (including my own mother and my wife's parents as the people I'll be in closest contact with) equate to any of that stuff you outluned in the post above?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    I see nothing wrong with your approach or your patriotism, I suppose it would be worse if you were the opposite out on the hill of Tara telling everyone the sky is falling down and we're all doomed to the new world order cashless society and all that jazz.

    You be who you want to be, and if you feel good and happy about it, it doesn't matter what I or others think. You're looking after your loved ones and close contacts. So I think that's an honourable way for anyone to do.

    You're level headed and I respect your decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    I have taken 2 official antigen tests from testing centres before travelling abroad in the last 2 weeks. Just one nasal swab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    My point was not directed at poster and his work arrangements - it seems he may even be able to wfh so he could or should stay at home.

    I meant low paid jobs and people earning minimum wage or thereabouts who simply can not afford to stay at home with flu or cold and keep going to work. It is easy to try to shame them but in their case it is more simple as it is either work or hunger/cold/homelessness. Nobody in their right mind would go to work sick if they could afford to stay home and get better. Thing is that sick leave and sick pay in Ireland are rather sick joke so that is why you see people sneezing and coughing in work and it is not going to change. I see it daily in my work or every place I move to from shops to bus to street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Oh yes, i agree. I just note the way a narrative is being created to push a message. I dont really mind individuals' opinions but i do mind official bodies either lying or misleading the public. That is much more damaging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    It is of course a different discussion than this thread is supposed to undertake. As a classic liberal i abhor the willingness of the new left to put schackles on others so willingly. Apart from the usual Marxists the left was liberal in the 50s-80s and even in the 90s under Blair/Clinton. But the latter got in bed with big money and now we have the left trying to take revenge and eagerly swaying the whip over the non compliant from every direction..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Maybe your immunity was weakened by some infection you fought while not registered it and this new one was the straw which broke camels neck?

    It depends on a lot of things. I got cold 3x in last 2 months I cant shake it down. Kids had it too yet wife refuse to get infected. She was around cold, flu, covid you name it, even had to stay home as close contact and still nothing.

    Same thing happened in reverse couple years back, everybody with high temperatures in a bed for week and that time it was me who did not get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Not likely what patriotic means. Since you said you do it when you go to visit parents and in-laws it is just to protect your own family. It may be "patriotic" if you do tests every time you move, like going to and from work, shopping, walk otherwise it is just self preservation or preservation of your own family.

    If you are in a position to do it and it make you happy go ahead but I doubt majority of the people can afford to buy antigen tests to come even close to this kind of usage you deem to be "patriotic".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    "New left putting shackles on others"? What on earth are you on about?

    Ireland doesn't have a left-right political system.

    Do you even live in this country?

    And what does any of that have to do with the Omicron variant?



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