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Will you be taking a booster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭gary550


    You regularly have hangovers which means you regularly drink to excess?

    Quit alcohol - very very very most likely more than 1% reduction in the likelihood of you getting cancer when you consider the amount of cancer linked to consumption of alcohol, and you don't even have to get a vaccine! You also don't clog up our hospitals if you do get alcohol related cancer or suffer from an alcohol related condition or use up the precious resources of our front line staff if you fall down the stairs in a drunken stupor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,447 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where did I say that? You specifically referenced your own experience when challenged with general stats. How about stop changing the goalpoats its getting a bit obvious.

    The people omicron floored arent posting on the thread. They are in hospital or bed with other priorities maybe?

    Getting a vaccine or infection is like rolling a 100 sided dice. There are more numbers with severe outcomes on the dice for infection than vaccine.

    You dont seem to understand sampling and the fallacy of composition.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    Of course I would wear a seat belt, there’s no downside. Bad analogy.

    Jesus, I hope you're joking about your occupation. If you're an engineer and didn't think that there was a downside to wearing a seatbelt, e.g. strangulation, drowning or my fire example, then that's very worrisome for your career prospects. As someone who previously lectured first year engineers, where I discussed the pros and cons of both airbags and seatbelts and why we use both, I found your statement very weird.

    That and the fact that you think that an evidence-based person would consider only what happens to themselves, certainly not something an engineer would say.

    But if your unconscious then your not going to performing a Houdini escape. Lots of variables, impossible to solve. But I get you.

    Even this statement is weird. If you crash your car and someone reaches in as your car starts smoking up, they cannot see your seat belt buckle. It would be more likely that they could pull you free if you're not wearing your belt. Likewise, that red button you mentioned? That can become damaged and stop working if you are in an accident.

    A truly bizarre claim of your occupation, I hope it's a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    With respect, you and I have no right to dictate the risk profile of one’s life choices to another. I suppose you don’t want me on a motorbike or climbing mountains either?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    At current case numbers, however inaccurate, you'd have to expect that 500k+ will contract omicron by mid-late January and subsequently refuse their booster. It will be interesting how many will look for the booster in 3 months times. My brother got a mild dose at Xmas and has already decided not to get a booster until at least September.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    I don't drink alcohol, I was giving a hypothetical example of a young person.

    Would your stance change if I changed that 1% to 20%? And are you suggesting that young people should not drink alcohol?



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    I don't see how that has anything to do with the post you are replying to.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Are our hospitals clogged with alcohol related illnesses to the extent they are with Covid? Is an alcohol related illness transmissible?

    I get hangovers when I drink, I don’t drink much so it only takes a few pints. Am I drinking excessively?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Ah yes, the facetious comment approach. I find it truly bizarre that first years would listen to you. It is unfathomable that you can wake up every morning. Of course I’m joking.

    PM me and I will give you a tour of the factories I have designed. I’m not as irrational as you are making me out to be, your just a bit braver behind a keyboard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I understand statistics and sampling quite deeply.

    I am challenging whether or not the booster programme is the way forward.



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  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    What a bizarre reply. Would you like to explain why you didn't know that seatbelts have lead to deaths that otherwise would have been prevented? You don't have to be an engineer to know that, just an adult.

    Also, it's "you're", not "your", you've made that mistake a few times. I hope you have someone else to fill out those forms when submitting proposals for your factories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Your reply is also bizarre (great word).

    I of course understand there is negligible risks to wearing seatbelts. I told you before “I get you”. Jesus.

    Nice pick-up on your. Again, very brave.



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    You "got me" after I had to explain to you why you we were wrong.

    Of course I would wear a seat belt, there’s no downside. Bad analogy.

    Would you like to explain how you, as an engineer, came to this conclusion?

    If you realise that there is negligible risk, then you would instead state that the analogy was good as vaccines also have a negligible risk. Instead, you've realised that you made an embarrassment statement, and further embarrassed yourself by stating that you're in a career where you most definitely should not have made such an embarrassing statement, and are now backtracking on what you stated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    You were comparing life choices (vaccine once a month) to reducing risk. It may be the right decision for you. But that’s a personal decision. You called my personal decision “cockiness”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,410 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I think an annual program is likely the way forward, that and better treatments should return normality between them.

    Just continuing as before and not using boosters would be a mistake and lead to a lot of unnecessary deaths and people sicker than they would otherwise be, I do wonder when COVID will be dropped as a notifiable disease and what international travel will look like.

    It's highly likely that your vaccination and booster reduced your symptoms significantly, this is impossible to prove in individual cases but proven for the general population (and we can continue to see the better outcomes for the vaccinated and those who have had boosters).



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    No, I said your statement of "I’ll be grand either way" is cockiness because no, you do not know that you'll be grand either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I meant I’ll be happy with my choices. I’ll be grand on my death bed like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭gary550


    I was replying to your specifically set out situation, with all due respect you never outlined it was hypothetical and spoke in the first person!

    re your hypothetical changing of the percentages from 1% to 20% - 1 in 2 people will get cancer of some sort, generally speaking I think the average survival rate (when taking of all cancer) is around 50-60% (which is an undersell as a lot of cancers have less than a 10% survivability rate). You'd want to be a moron not to consider taking a vaccine that will reduce the likelihood of not getting cancer by 20% given the survivability rate cancer has.

    No, but alcohol does have a negative impact of the immune response (particularly when speaking of acute respiratory stress syndromes) which may well contribute to the hospital population with respiratory conditions including covid.

    Can you spread conditions generally acquired from over consumption of alcohol? - No

    Is you're consuming alcohol likely to negatively impact others - Yes, In a vast range of ways.



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    I would gladly take the 3 day illness if it meant no further restrictions. Not for me, for society. I’ll be grand either way.

    That is clearly not what you meant give then context. More backtracking?

    Are you going to defend any of your comments? You, as an engineer, stated that there is no downside to wearing a seatbelt and could also not foresee any situation where the "big red button" wouldn't work, couldn't be seen or couldn't be reached in a car accident. Any defence of your statements at all?



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    So you wouldn't recommend taking it at 1% but would recommend taking it at 20%. What would be your cut-off percentage?

    And you are correct, I should have been clearer that I was speaking hypothetically.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    No back tracking, honest. I’ll be grand, like. That’s what it means.

    There is negligible downsides, not worth considering in the decision of whether to wear a seat belt. I already said so.

    For those reading from Engineers Ireland: seat belts can kill. Ride a motorbike



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's depressing to see how petty some can get to win arguments on the internet..



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    So, explain why it is therefore a bad analogy, because you seem to be highlighting that it's a good analogy and are therefore disagreeing with your own statement.

    And no defence of your "there’s a big red button that releases the catch" statement I take it?



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    It's depressing to see how you jump into the these threads only to spread misinformation or attack posters.

    I've been waiting for your big news to appear on TV all day but haven't seen it yet, shame.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    There are a multitude of illnesses that may be due to social habits, or not, the treatment of which are currently being affected by Covid hospitalisations. Few of us are without family members who need hospital treatments due to acute or chronic conditions, the treatment of which has been altered by Covid admissions. Personally, even though I work as a Dentist, a profession which is probably the closest to the source of infection, I am not worried about the effects of catching Covid on myself. But I still don’t want to tempt fate that if I do catch it, that I won’t be one of those unlucky few who get very ill. I am more concerned that my elderly parents, or my kids will need hospital treatment, or that my choice not to get vaccinated may result in someone else who is ill not being able to have access to treatment because I’m taking up a bed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Ok, you and i both agree that there is a negligible risk to wearing a seatbelt.

    However, my booster has proven to be my worst illness in my living memory. My Covid illness was mild.

    Therefore, I consider the risk vs. reward of the two scenarios to be non-comparable. Wear a seat belt = unlikely effects. Get booster = likely illness. (As a long distance runner this may be more important to me than you).

    I whole heartedly accept that my quip of the big red button was too shallow a response. And I shall resign my position of head of engineering immediately.



  • Posts: 8,717 [Deleted User]


    Ok, you and i both agree that there is a negligible risk to wearing a seatbelt.

    However, my booster has proven to be my worst illness in my living memory. My Covid illness was mild.

    Therefore, I consider the risk vs. reward of the two scenarios to be non-comparable. Wear a seat belt = unlikely effects. Get booster = likely illness. (As a long distance runner this may be more important to me than you).

    So, you're reason for believing that the analogy is bad is not evidence-based, nor is it scientifically, medically or engineering based, nor is it even what you said previously, but is instead due to personal experience?

    I whole heartedly accept that my quip of the big red button was too shallow a response. And I shall resign my position of head of engineering immediately.

    It was a quip? That's what you're going with now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    I fully appreciate your viewpoint. My question is how do you draw that line between a rational fear of taking a bed vs the unlikely reality of it occurring.

    Again, fully respectful of your selfless outlook.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    How long did your booster symptoms last? Surely you understand that Omicrone will not be the last variant, even though it may be one of the mildest? Your “illness” after the booster was an immune responce, you did not catch Omnicrone, Delta or original strain from it.

    It seems to be a recurring theme that the physically fit see themselves as “bullet proof” when it comes to illness. There was a classic case recently of the Belgian UFC fighter who thought he was too strong to be affected by Covid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭PaoloGotti


    Well if you’re a betting man do you agree with my risk assessment?

    It was a quip. But nonetheless I have cancelled myself and resigned.



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