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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,189 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Have we any figures on the number in hospital with the flu at the moment or have we escaped it this year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Good to know .But my friend UK was never actually in hospital .It was based simply on a positive PCR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You can be anti-restrictions (I think we should have dropped them back in August, but I understand why they won't be dropped in the dead of Winter) without falsely claiming that restrictions don't work.

    Claiming they don't work is generally so someone can absolve themselves of making hard decisions (i.e. who will die when we run out of health capacity) if restrictions don't work, then it doesn't make a difference anyway.

    Most of the posters still claiming this were also making the same claims back in March/April 2020 and we can see by the death rates of countries that put restrictions in place early vs. those that waited till later, that they do work (then they try and steer the conversation over to demographics, again using hand waving and hoping people don't look at the actual numbers behind it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They have mapped over 5m genomes and a very miniscule number even become a VUI, out of which a smaller subset become VOCs. Vaccination worldwide should mitigate the risk of a more virulent form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I don't think that all restrictions will be dropped until Spring (March/April), I can see some of them being reduced in line with hospitalisation numbers, Winter is a bad time to make any changes which is why the original October/November schedule was complete pie in the sky (but I understand the rationale behind it even if I don't agree with it).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    What about other industries? I get your predicament but no need to keep saying you're a teacher! No emergency services personnel are banging on as much as teachers or any other industry to be honest.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I don't think masks will go away anytime soon

    The rest I would hope to see lifted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    23 total cases and 2 admissions, one child and one adult from week 50 of 2021. That’s the last known report.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I share the optimism, however - for the sake of debate - if there is another new variant that does outsmart us, being back at square one is a difficult pill to swallow, I think we can all agree.

    I am anti-restrictions but they do work, for as long as they are in place (as I mentioned a few pages back).

    What they also do is widespread collateral damage.

    We also have to be honest with ourselves, as I mentioned on another post a few pages back:

    In reality, Ireland (deaths per million 1,178) has not fared that much better than 'no lockdown' Sweden (deaths per million 1,498), whilst completely disregarding civil liberties and fundamental human rights at the same time. Denmark has done better than Ireland (deaths per million 562), a country with similar population size, higher population density, much less restrictions and an older population (similar case numbers too). (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You claim they don't work as fact, when obviously they do.

    And don't think of it as burning down a house, think of it as a controlled burn where the max burn rate is your health capacity.

    Then things start making sense.

    Masks and certs are the simplest least impactful way to keep numbers down, they'll be the last to go (after full return to Offices has occurred).

    And again, you were saying the same thing before vaccines existed (which have reduced the death rate substantially and allowed many who would have died with COVID in 2020 to come through it instead) so it all comes across as disingenuous at this point.

    And again, one other bit being missed is that the economic performance of Ireland Inc. is very strong right now, much stronger than other economies around us, this lets us be more cautious in reopening (again, I don't agree we should wait much longer) as the impact on the budget/taxes/jobs has been lower than other countries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There is a Sweden thread, but Sweden is the standout bad performer of the Scandinavian countries and had an effective buffer around them protecting them (if you remember, 2020 was when the border counties in Ireland had the highest cases and death rates). Their rationale was to pursue herd immunity before vaccines were available and it didn't work that well (only the UK also briefly toyed with the idea before abandoning it).

    Had we pursued the same, with the UK beside us, we'd have been facing into a Palermo scenario.

    Denmark have an all digital and connected health system, they were also first out of the gates for vaccines ahead of the rest of Europe. We could have that as well, but there is a lot of union intransigence to digitising their workload in the health system (this allows you to target individuals faster, reduce close contacts, see where outbreaks are likely to occur and react to them before it happens, lots of good stuff that we can't do, you restrict smarter instead of blanket restrictions like we had).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I share the optimism, however - for the sake of debate - if there is another new variant that does outsmart us, being back at square one is a difficult pill to swallow, I think we can all agree.

    As one of the UK scientists observed viruses can lose fitness to compete, with its mutations. Any new variant would have to beat down Omicron and in the face of increasing vaccination levels worldwide that is a pretty tall order.

    Some vaccine companies have already committed themselves to being able to produce a tweaked version in 100 days. Add in antivirals, 2 so far and more to come, monoclonal antibody treatments and ongoing research on things like nanobodies, we are not really back at square one.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OK, but how has Denmark performed so well, with similar case numbers, older population and less and shorter restrictions on liberty? Genuine question.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Errr, you realise that basically 94% of us are fully vaccinated and large numbers are triple vaccinated. What numbers will give us this high level of Immunity.

    I hope you also saw the Taoiseachs latest speech were he said that vaccines on their own are not enough. Doesn't sound like a man planning on returning to normal anytime soon.

    Will you turn on them if they don't remove restrictions soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Are the Uk rags now running out of Covid news? 😆





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    I was in bits the other day after moderna booster.

    Very very tired. Brand new now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    40 discharges on a weekend is really good, historically.

    118 admissions is also quite a good bit lower than the 150+ we were doing after Xmas.

    These numbers are really making me optimistic. If numbers only go up by a net ~60/day over the weekend, we'll come in under 850 on Tuesday.

    One would like to think that 17k cases today is also something good, but it's meaningless without the swab numbers. We're also in a period of recalibration, so numbers as low as 15k or as high as 30k shouldn't be a surprise over the next 3-4 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    So if hospital numbers are including those who have either gone into hospital for something else and caught it, or those already in hospital for something else and have caught it, does that render that number meaningless now?

    And makes ICU the only number that matters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    One uptick is that the latency for new treatments and vaccines will be much lower, for the next 10 years at least (then we give out about the cost of maintaining that infrastructure and close it all down).

    And yes, a new variant could change things again (and we can react much faster now), but this can happen with all virus, the spike protein, even with Omicron, remains an effective attack vector for vaccines (almost like the scientists knew what they were doing) if we're going to worry about future variants we may as well worry about super-flu/ebola/AIDS as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Got it yesterday too. Feel weak but not fatigued. Am resting up all day to be sure as need to be over it by tomorrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Sorry, added the bit about Denmark after you read/quoted, they also have the advantage that they don't share a land border with the worst performer in Europe (along with a better organised health system).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In your edited comment lies my chief complaint with this entire approach.

    Universal and enforced lockdowns and restrictions make sense if we are all equally vulnerable, even then I am not going to advocate for them. We are not all equally vulnerable to this virus, that was established quite early on.

    Personally, I would have preferred an entirely voluntary and guidance based system whereby people can restrict themselves if they are vulnerable instead of what we had which was criminalising basic human behaviour.

    I don't deny that the state implemented rules were perhaps more effective than a voluntary system but at least we could still call ourselves a free society and we did not suppress individual choice for the best part of two years.

    As I said before, that is my opinion and it won't be shared by all but an opinion is that and we are all entitled to those.

    P.S. The UK is not the worst performer in Europe, at least by deaths/million. It is the 20th worst - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Ireland has been the worst performer in Europe in terms of liberty and I do not think that this is something that can be ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    you are not fully vaccinated until you've had a third shot due to the current variant, omicron, rapidly outcompeting all other variants and two shots not being very effective against it. how do you not know that? i'm not being smart but do you read up on what's going on at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    moderna third shot hit me like a ton of bricks almost exactly 24 hours after the shot. no energy and some headaches. lasted about two days.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah ok. So goalposts and shifting comes to mind.

    A few months from now you'll be justifying restrictions because not enough have taken their 4th shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Even Donnelly didn’t seem to concerned today, he was making a point about a big difference in hospitals compared to last year. They seem to optimistic about ICU numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Oh yikes. Hopefully I somehow manage to escape that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Ya for sure, I should have specified if you are diagnosed with covid via a PCR then you are at least 3 times less likely to end up in hospital. Even with this caveat I expect the actual multiple to be higher again given lingering delta hospitalizations.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Pat Kenny, in a quote in the Sunday Times today on new year resolutions - "The second thing is to get back on the Wicklow Mountains. I love rambling and hiking up there, and Covid has kept my wings clipped."

    Have to say, whatever your risk acceptances on covid, I find it hard to figure why anyone could have prevented themselves going for a walk up the mountains because of Covid.



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