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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Well until my husband gets his results back we wont be doing anywhere. Plus if its as contagious as they say its only a matter of time before I get it and the 10 day isolation period starts again. I will be taking some sort of leave to stay home with my kids. I rarely take time off so I don't feel guilty about it.


    On the PCR debacle I tried at 12am to get a test. None in the 5 counties I tried so I rang caredoc and they have put him on the list. He'll get a text with an appointment within 3 days!


    Don't see how schools can open when it is impossible for anyone to get tested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    I was referring to the headbangers that mostly posted in the anti restrictions thread, not that anyone against restrictions is a nutter. They were spamming all sorts of nonsense in the main threads right from the start in 2020 and were told to keep it to their own thread. Anti mask, its just the flu, any restrictions is fascist etc.

    Sadly they are spamming the main thread again and it's unreadable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Restrictions have empirical evidence that they work, their effect has been observed in all countries, you're trying to argue against mountains of data.

    Note that restrictions don't mean stopping circulation but reducing circulation, since vaccines, reducing just means to a level which keeps a lid on the health system numbers.

    But you've been here before and you'll slink away ignoring all the data from 2020 and 2021 when restrictions were implemented and cases dropped and regurgitate the same thing again in a weeks time or so (along with being concerned about with or for COVID).

    I mean, unless you actually want to dig into the data and explain how reducing contacts doesn't reduce R. Backed up by peer reviewed studies backing up your viewpoint, of course, that's a conversation that can actually be had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Until last August or until Spring when numbers in the health system should be dropping substantially.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    So you want more restrictions until sometime in the Spring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Officially till the end of January. If Omicron does peak soon and decline quickly, then February, my optimistic view, will be the start of it. However, knowing the innate caution of NPHET March seems a lot more likely for the start of it. All going well we'll be out of all of it by May at the latest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Idiot boy


    I wonder is there anyway to transfer an appointment for pcr?.

    I was a bit rough last week..took 5 antigen test and I was negative...feeling 100% today and the wife tells me this morning she booked me a PCR test for Monday...im gonna go ahead and cancel it as i feel 5 negative antigen tests is quite enough..if there is a way if transferring it to you your welcome to it...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok. Cool, so we open up then (any of those dates mentioned). Historically, during this crisis so far - after easing restrictions what happens to case numbers and then later hospitalisation and death numbers? What about next winter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭morphy87


    hopefully this is the right thread but I need some advice

    A friend of mine was at a gathering on the 27 of December, a card game,first time he has been out in a week, he reckons he was exposed to Covid at the gathering, two days later he started showing symptoms so done an anti gen test and showed positive, he is isolating since

    if he was exsposed to Covid on the 27 when should he get a clear PCR test? He has something coming up which cannot be done without showing a clear PCR test result

    Would the 10 days start from the time he was exsposed to Covid?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Astartes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It should be more normal as we'll have a lot more therapeutics and better jabs to deal with the disease. We should also have more ICU beds and hopefully on other fronts like step down and other issues.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Ten days from onset of symptoms

    He may not test negative on PCR for a while though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hospital numbers now updated to 717, up 35. That's the highest since 22 February. Admissions of 118 but discharges of only 40.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Thanks for the reply,so he started showing symptoms on the 29,so the 10 days start from then?now the symptoms were very mild

    Getting a PCr could be the biggest issue


    ge



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I admire your optimism - I do. I am optimistic too, but cautiously. I mentioned on another thread that if Omicron is milder, and helps us out of this then great. But it's not because we humans have been smart with vaccines or treatments or lockdowns. We need to make sure that the correct lessons are learned.

    However, we don't know for sure that the new treatments will be highly effective. They might be, they might not be - time will tell. A lot of people thought that the first batch of vaccines were the ticket out, rightfully or wrongly.

    My logic is that, and past experience proves this - if we begin to encounter another large wave - restrictions will be applied.

    So, if the treatments work well, then yes - things might be more normal.

    If they don't, then that leaves us with restrictions again.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    So my folks were a close contact of me (i did have covid and recovered), and now they were told they are a close contact of an uncle from a wedding on the 29th...

    "Does that mean we have to be hermits again? Fùck sake!" Were the first words out of my dads mouth. He isn't wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He could test positive for a while, but he can apply for a recovery cert though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    When everyone that wants a booster has one I would be in favour of ending all restrictions, all testing, all close contact stuff and all isolating advice. Which should be fairly soon.

    I dont see any further value in the national covid program once we've achieved as high a vaccine protection rate as we can get. Omicron cant be controlled we need to live with it. The obsession with daily case numbers needs to end too. Testing serves little purpose anymore other than driving certain people crazy every day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Good post. Have to take issue with this bit though.

    Whats clear is that there has been a serious drop in the severity of covid compared to this time last year, you are at least 3 times less likely to end up in hospital if you are diagnosed with covid now vs in Jan 2021.

    Considering the current claims of vaccine effectiveness alongside out uptake rate AND all emerging evidence on the severity of Omicron, I would be thinking one would be 20 times less likely.

    I expect for every confirmed case right now there are at least 20 unconfirmed considering testing limitations and all we know about the prevalence for No\Mild Omicron symptoms. Covid is everywhere. With 20k confirmed cases a day that's 200k real cases using an undetected factor of just ten. Add this to confirmed cases from the past, with are reasonable undetected factor, and it's becomes clear that our 5.2 mil have been well exposed to this. If you believe the stats around vaccine effectiveness, then consider the amount of 'breakthrough infections' we are seeing and then extrapolate the numbers out.

    If it's everywhere why restrict?

    The debate around the need for more restrictions will play out in the school reopening debate.

    Strain on the health service or problems with schools reopening and staffing are actually down to the restrictions in place not because of the lack of them. Staff who are not 'sick' are being told to stay at home because they have either tested positive or are deemed close contacts.

    With mild Omicron and extensive vaccination the pandemic is effectively over. The sooner we accept this the better. Time to remove all restrictions and treat the sick as they present as we would during a mild seasonal flu outbreak.

    Now is the perfect time to remove restrictions while booster effectiveness is at it's maximum.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah ok. I can see were you are going wrong. You think they work because they bring some short term relief when you go fully nuclear and order the closure of entire sectors.

    When I say restrictions don't work, I don't mean 100% literally. I mean the problem will still be there waiting a few weeks later and you'll need to do the same over and over again indefinitely. Which is just stupid.

    Masks and certs are complete nonsense as is reduced hours. Full lockdown for several weeks helps a bit to kick the can down the road.


    Burning down a house will almost certainly kill a mouse. Technically it works. But there's a reason people don't go that route



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭morphy87


    So for work he should be clear on the antingen test the 8 of January?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Hard to say. There have been a few posts on here of people still testing positive on antigen after 10 days



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OK, great.

    What happens if there is a new variant that evades the boosters and the new treatments?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Not indefinitely, until the population has a high level of immunity from vaccines. Lockdowns were never a long term permanent plan, that was only the case in certain people's fascist conspiracy fantasys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Got the moderna booster yesterday....i feel weak as pìss today and very fatigued.....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    This happened my friend last year during new year surge, mater discharged her with a kit and rang daily to check her levels.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Back to square one. This hasnt happened yet though so theres no reason to believe it will. The current vaccines are even effective against omicron when given the correct dose regime.



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