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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Both of those are on track to be accomplished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    They are.. but not because of current restrictions. It should be becoming more and more clear to government that we are well beyond the point of diminishing returns from restrictions. We are achieving no better outcomes when compared to 'godless' England who are living life as normal. Enough is enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Why?

    The effect of restrictions must surely be measured in case numbers!? Restrictions are to "control" case numbers no?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I'm by no means defending them but restrictions were always to reduce the impact on hospitalisations, ICU and deaths.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think anyone can possibly be still under the impression that restrictions work.

    We had varying levels of heavy restrictions throughout 2021 and finished the year with probably 40K cases a day.

    Surely it must be crystal clear at this point that nonsense like masks and certs etc are nothing more than COVID theatre.


    If anything, Cases seemed to increase even more as we brought in restrictions on regulated environments.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Indeed....to 'flatten the curve'. Don't hear that phrase much anymore! Quite clear now that restrictions with the highly transmissible Omicron are pretty much useless unless you go absolute lockdown, Chinese style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Phrases for the 2022 bin

    "figures are concerning etc"

    "next two weeks are crucial"

    "covid theatre"

    "let it rip"

    "schools are safe"

    On both sides of the coin, let's ditch them all!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Also...

    "Hiding under your bed"

    "Nonsense"

    "Hysterical"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    Do you mind me asking what the relevance of the red line is and what conclusions you are inferring from it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I wondered the same, as it would make more sense, and paint a completely different picture, if drawn a week or so after the majority of the population was vaccinated rather than the start date for vaccinations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Thats not really possible due to different dates of vaccination of groups. Waning etc. Even now there is a lot of technically unvaxxed if they are not boosted.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whilst I am anti-restrictions, for moral/ethical/philosophical reasons - they do work to delay deaths. But under two very important qualifications:

    -They need to be total (i.e. very strict).

    -They need to be indefinite (i.e. never-ending until we have a better option such as vaccines). As soon as you lift lockdown/restrictions, cases go up as do hospitalisations and deaths.

    The famous Imperial College report that came out mid-March 2020 proposed that the lockdown should be in place until such time as the vaccines were widely available. Up to 18 months, it was suggested. That's almost what happened in Ireland - we had various levels of lockdown for 18 months until we had high vaccine uptake. Now, the situation is more complicated because the vaccines are not performing as we need them to (for whatever reason, new variant, waning immunity etc).

    We could lockdown until we get better vaccines or better treatments now but the problem with lockdown is that they cause indescribable collateral damage to all other areas of society. I do not need to list these effects, they are well known.

    I mentioned to my local TDs that we have two choices as we go forward - accept that there is a new virus that is dangerous for certain groups and increases their daily risk level or we transform our society into one that I can only describe of as a dystopian nightmare where liberty is given at state discretion and we all test ourselves daily to check our health status.

    Essentially, it's a value judgement - safety or liberty. And that is why I am anti-restriction because I value liberty and personal freedom/autonomy. That is not an opinion that will be shared by all but essentially that is the question we have to answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It is likely to remain that way and this will pass. How does being one of these so-called technically unvaxxed differ from someone who's never had a shot? Their bodies do after all recognise COVID.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Yes but the pitch behind the Covid Pass was to prevent or greatly reduce transmission in indoor settings which clearly isn't true in reality with the effect of vaccines and NPHET & government have admitted as much by once again returning to add restrictions to the hospitality sector.

    If the goal is not to prevent transmission but to prevent people at high risk of hospitalisation from being exposed in an indoor setting then surely the pass should be based on other factors as well. Unquestionably the greatest factor is age and also being immunocompromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    A friend of mine in the UK age 76 who is immuno compromised and has a lung problem tested positive .The NHS phoned her and are phoning her every second day to check on her .,They send a care package in a taxi with a O2 sats monitor and anti virals to be taken for 5 days .

    Lets see how soon the HSE follows suit .............. rolls eyes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Does anyone know what the changes to the isolation period that will be announced tomorrow are going to be? My husband more than likely has covid. 2 positive antigens! But can't get a test for 3 days. And then another 2 days before results. He has to wait on a text from the HSE with his appointment. I had to ring caredoc last night to get one as there was nothing on the HSE site.


    Anyway I'm a teacher who is due to go back to work on Thursday. I won't be going unless we have results. My kids aren't vaccinated as they are primary school age. And as it stands today they can't return to school for 2 weeks if my husband tests positive. So obviously I will have to stay home to mind them as we can't send them to anyone else. I'm sure I am not the only teacher in this situation. There are no subs to be found. Staffing in schools is going to be a nightmare. Locally many businesses are closed this week as their staff are isolating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    We know that fully vaccinated people with or without booster are far less likely to develop serious illness from any variant of COVID. The "waning" is in relation to symptomatic infection.

    People with recent infections or boosters are less likely to develop symptomatic COVID because they have a high concentration of antibodies present in their blood.

    After several weeks the body recycles these antibodies. This is normal. In evolutionary terms it doesn't make sense to keep circulating antibodies for every infection your body has ever seen. It's massively wasteful. The body instead "remembers" so it can produce these antibodies again when needed.

    The trade-off is that the infection may make a foothold while antibody production ramps up. But this way is more energy efficient.

    In relation to boosters, it is more than just "reactivating" the immune system. Every injection of the vaccine is a form of training. With every dose, your body gets better and better at producing more efficient antibodies. The immune system is complex and really, really good at what it does. We simplify it down to "your body learns how to fight COVID" for ourselves, but it's much, much, much more nuanced than that.

    Thus, someone 12 weeks after their booster will deal with any COVID variant more readily than someone 12 weeks after their second dose. Who in turn will feel far less ill than someone unvaxxed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah, but there's more than a hint of looking for yet another group to blame with that type of commentary. We will come in a lot lower in boosters.

    As regards the boosters there is a risk that far too much attention will be given to that waning and we could end up in a never ending cycle of using booster vaccines that are increasingly delivering diminishing returns. That is just bad medicine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    You've been against restrictions since day one because your 'freedoms' were being impinged and every so often your mask slips, excuse the pun.


    Multiple times you've said that lockdowns don't work and when asked for evidence of them not working (including evidence that they do in the post) you either ignore it or go off on another tangent. So give it a rest with the hyperbole.


    I'm in no way for restrictions at all but it's comical that you are still coming out with this tripe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    I think the thread you're referring to is the 'Relaxation of Restrictions' one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ICU at 87, so very steady. No update on hospital numbers but as suggested last night could be above 680.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Funny, so what will we say happened to you once you do come out from under the bed? 🥳🥳



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Hire a JCB. I'm sixteen stone and my bed is a divan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Polar101


    The ones that got banned from there are posting in this thread.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What more evidence do you need that restrictions don't work? We've had varying levels for ALL of 2021 and we have record numbers of cases...

    I've always admitted that going fully nuclear might help a bit to kick the can further down the road

    But then you'll just end up in a situation where you'll need to go fully nuclear again and again until the magic money tree dries up.

    So no, they don't work unless you can keep them up indefinitely. Some countries tried this and eventually gave up realising it was a hopeless tactic.


    I understand that it's hard to hear for people that invested so much hope in restrictions. But at this point they are nothing more than a colossal waste of money.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Translates to I don't like it that people no longer agree with me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    If somebody is anti restrictions now they are deemed a nutter? Is this where society is at? Any opposition to our restriction obsessed policies sees one branded a full blown nutcase ? That type of language actually paints you as an extremist. Ironic isn't it seeing as you view these `nutcases' as extremists? I see many in here comment of this thread becoming an unreadable echo chamber . I think they long for the return of the uber cautious echo chamber the thread used to be. There appears no middle ground in here. It's all hyperbole and insulting language . Cheezums I'm not singling you out here. I don't actually know what your views are and whatever they are you are entitled to your opinion even if I'd disagree but just reading your post about anti restriction nutcases is disheartening . Just because somebody has a differing view to you doesn't make them a nutcase .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Genuine question, and I've asked this before on other threads.

    For any that see restrictions either as a 'necessary evil' or a 'welcome protection barrier', my question is this - until when?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    I’m in the same boat myself. Have covid but cants get a PCR, 3 positive antigens yesterday and mild symptoms.

    Due back to school Thursday but can’t go obviously. Can’t get a PCR test there’s none to be had. 2 kids here who will have to do the two weeks, which means I’ll have to mind them for 4 days after my isolation period is over.

    Not sure what to do, I’m a bit lost with it all.



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