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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #36752
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403228#Comment_118403228

    Unless covid only spreads in bars and restaurants and not workplaces, public transport, supermarkets,homes etc, then the pass is doing nothing to prevent transmission to unvaccinated people.



  • #36753
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403490#Comment_118403490

    Of course, but the aim is reduction, not elimination, you reduce the contacts by taking them out of some of the riskiest environments, unless you want to ban unvaccinated from all those locations (which is probably a bit harsh).



  • #36754
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403303#Comment_118403303

    Are we not still flattening the curve?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #36755
    flatface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭flatface


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403480#Comment_118403480
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403328#Comment_118403328

    No one wants another lockdown or further restrictions, we have all suffered. thankfully the signs look optimistic.



  • #36756
    gamerguy1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭gamerguy1


    Was surprised last night with the fireworks cancelled in the UK. Edinburgh only had a few people out in the street as the fireworks were cancelled. Cardiff has a super pub and only 8 people were in it and the place seemed quiet as fireworks were cancelled. My local pubs were full all evening and everyone was on top of each other. Whatever about the mentality in the uk it is different than here in regards the virus and they have the NHS but they are planning to build 4 temporary hospitals with the surge in cases there. We need to protect the hse and our hospitals.



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  • #36757
    cuttingtimber22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403571#Comment_118403571

    Have we not had a surge here also?



  • #36758
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403080#Comment_118403080

    I tested positive on PCR after testing negative on antigen most of this week.

    Wife tested negative on PCR after testing positive on antigen most of this week also.

    It's mad.



  • #36759
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403228#Comment_118403228

    What revisionism is this?

    Covid pass was implemented to restrict unvaccinated who were deemed to be spreading Covid-19 and therefore would not infect staff who were usually outside of the age cohorts called forward for vaccination at the time.

    At NO TIME ever was the Covid Pass used to "protect" the unvaccinated.

    You are merely gaslighting.



  • #36760
    Steveimitation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Steveimitation


    The idea that the vaccine passport is there to protect the unvaccinated is actually laughable.



  • #36761
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403490#Comment_118403490

    Is there any precaution that can be taken to reduce your chances of catching/spreading covid in a workplace, public transport, supermarket, home etc.... that is unusable in a pub and restaurant situation? A mask maybe?

    I'm sure if people didn't need to eat and drink in pubs and restaurants then there would be no need for a covid pass.



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  • #36762
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403319#Comment_118403319

    Could you could argue that it wasn't the vaccinated in a safe environment to them (because they were vaccinated/recovered) but that it was an unsafe environment for unvaccinated people?



  • #36763
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭the kelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403657#Comment_118403657

    The vaccine passport was used to coerce people into getting vaccinated plain and simple, anyone claiming otherwise is quite frankly beyond gullible.

    Now getting as many vaccinated as possible is a good thing but seriously it’s main purpose was coercion which is probably fair enough to be honest.



  • #36764
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403331#Comment_118403331

    I'm curious, if we followed the UK would we see a reduction in cases, stay the same or see an increase?

    It's not like the random groups of people who would go to a pub would end up in the exact same house party that night instead.



  • #36765
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403643#Comment_118403643
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403657#Comment_118403657

    It's used to reduce hospitalisations because the unvaccinated are still disproportionately represented in those numbers... (that's been the number being reported since they started being enforced, when it is 1:1 the passes will be dropped, or sooner if COVID pressure on the health system drops).

    Though it is time for the weekly Danno rageposting :)



  • #36766
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403643#Comment_118403643

    But staff can wear masks, maintain social distancing for the most part. Customers can't eat and drink with a mask.

    I think people kinda get the idea it's based on a single unvaccinated person in a pub filled with vaccinated people, thinking the unvacinated person can't infect the vaccinated and the vaccinated can't infect the unvaccinated person. To a large extent with previous variants that's correct in a way, however as soon as more than one unvacinated people enter the equation, they can pass it among themselves.



  • #36767
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403704#Comment_118403704

    Again with the gaslighting. The cert was used as a whip to get vaccinations up:

    Covid-19 and the New Measures (Enterprise, Trade and Employment): Statements – Seanad Éireann (26th Seanad) – Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 – Houses of the Oireachtas

    With regard to the Covid pass and vaccine passes, there is good evidence that they have worked. At the very least they have encouraged more and more people to get vaccinated. I am not sure we would have reached so high a level of vaccination as 93% or 94% were it not for the Covid pass system.

    Leo Varadkar's words, not mine.



  • #36768
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403722#Comment_118403722

    He says at the very least.... Meaning the primary reason or expectation for them wasn't to get vaccination rates up.



  • #36769
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403716#Comment_118403716

    Which is proven codswallop. How many triple vaxxed, double vaxxed and single vaxxed folk have succumbed to Covid19 over the past week? ~116,000 confirmed cases. Amazing amount of break through cases and/or unvaccinated getting Covid19, in a country with ~7.5mill doses injected. And that 116k figure NPHET openly admit is way short of what is out there. But yeah, certs, masks, hospitality gone at 8pm, it all has made a difference. 🙄



  • #36770
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403704#Comment_118403704

    How does it reduce hospitalizations? If you’re unvaccinated you’re free to do whatever you want except go to a pub or restaurant (indoors). At this stage they’re utterly pointless. I only know a few people who aren’t vaccinated now and they use certs from people they know. If only we were as quick to remove things that no longer have any benefit as we are implementing them. E.g negative PCR to get back into the country 🤦🏻‍♂️



  • #36771
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403722#Comment_118403722

    Read the sentence again, slowly :) Pay attention to the first 4 words.

    All restrictions are to reduce pressure on the health system, you could argue pre-vaccine that the goal was also to prevent unnecessary deaths, but since then, it's all about the hospitalisations and as long as the unvaccinated are over-represented there, then the passes will likely remain.

    Otherwise they would have been dropped when we hit 94%, the last few % aren't going to change their mind at that stage.

    Unless it's just for sh*ts and giggles :)

    Some posters don't need any fuel to get themselves started.



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  • #36772
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403758#Comment_118403758

    I'm not sure how many people have died over the past week, or their vaccination status. Enlighten me.



  • #36773
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭mcburns07



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403768#Comment_118403768

    How are vaccine passports effective now? As a tool to coerce people to get vaccinated they absolutely worked. As you've pointed out everyone is either vaccinated or hell bent against it so what benefit do we now get from the passports?

    And for context here I’m 33, not at risk, and have had a booster, I’m not remotely anti vax. I’m against nonsensical restrictions and requirements.



  • #36774
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403766#Comment_118403766

    Because it takes those most at risk from hospitalisation (the unvaccinated) away from locations that are high risk for transmission (hospitality). Note, it doesn't remove all those locations, as the aim is reduction rather than elimination. A few people misusing them doesn't change the fact that most people will use them properly or that establishments that verify with ID will catch them out.

    And if they're "utterly pointless" why has the UK brought back their use?

    We're still at 50% of COVID ICU being unvaccinated, if more unvaccinated were getting infected than that % would be higher still (as it is in countries with lower vax rates).



  • #36775
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403768#Comment_118403768

    The sole reason for Covid passes was to get vax levels up as quickly as possible. Remember - we were promised they would be gone by October 22nd?

    That seems to have slipped by the way-side, like alot of other promises made by these charlatans.

    All mid-2021 restrictions were used to drive vaccination levels up, the trajectory of the virus having a seasonal peak and trough as experienced in 2020 was a blueprint to follow. The government knew this blue print and kept the stick of restrictions over us to drive forward vax levels. They fully expected that 90%+ vaccination levels would render Ireland with herd immunity. It has spectacularly backfired.



  • #36776
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403794#Comment_118403794

    That wasn't the sole reason, it wasn't even the primary reason, repeating something you clearly completely and utterly misunderstand doesn't change the facts.

    The fact is that the unvaccinated are over represented in hospital, when they are not, the pass will be dropped (my bet is before Summer).



  • #36777
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403786#Comment_118403786

    Is an unvaccinated/unrecovered person more likely to catch covid compared to a vaccinated/recovered person?

    Is an unvaccinated/unrecovered person more likely to need hospital care compared to a vaccinated/recovered person?

    If the answer to either is yes, that's a reason for covid certs (I will argue in light of Omicron, they are much much less important, but you don't go lifting restrictions etc... when you close to peak). I would fully expect them to be dropped after this wave as I'd hazard a guess the % of people who Covid will me novel to would be insignificant.



  • #36778
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403781#Comment_118403781

    We'll have to wait for another few days for the hse to put out that data, but following on recent trends, it's probably 65% vaxxed and 35% unvaxxed.

    WRT to the 35% we are never told how many of them couldn't have or it was pointless for them to take a vax.



  • #36779
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403814#Comment_118403814

    99% of people who couldn't get vaccinated are under 12 and there has been no deaths in that age group. Meaning all of those deaths are in the 14+ group. Of them, there's a minute % who can't take a vaccine. That same argument has been trotted out in defense of the unvaccinated figure and they can't give a %.

    Pointless to take a vaccine, I think the risk of death for those who died would be a good reason? I'm unsure who the pointless people are, maybe you can clarify?



  • #36780
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    679 in hospital as of 8pm, up 23 from this morning. 84 in ICU, unchanged from yesterday



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  • #36781
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118403806#Comment_118403806

    How many of the unvaccinated in hospital were adversely affected by restrictions such as the Covid-pass before their admission with particular focus from September-December when peak vaccination was achieved.

    I'll offer an opinion: Most of these folks were not born here and have little to no interest in frequenting Irish hospitality outlets.

    But the twats in power thinking that the Covid-pass should still be used are by-and-large responsible for crashing the PCR system this week. A huge amount of people have no confidence now in the booster and instead are opting to "extend" their cert with a proof of immunity barcode.



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