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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    Just on your last paragraph, agree totally however, when it comes to obeying say road traffic, parking laws it's a different story ....figure that out!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭TracyMartell


    Prominent antivaxxers begging for vaccines and 20% self isolating and positive. It’s all happening in your hospital! Very unlucky



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I would say that's because we've a bit of a bipolar attitude to authority. On the one hand we'll tug the forelock to our betters and kiss the bishop's ring and follow their authority(and never hold them accountable until they're dead and buried), but on the other hand we'll snigger behind their back as we do so. Plus there's a large element of what the neighbours/parish will say. If the curtains twitched at bad parking we'd be a lot more compliant.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Weird choice of words.... Quarantine for covid patients.

    I know there's people saying not every covid person should be called a case, but to call them all patients is weird.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    In that situation they wouldn't be admitted, so they would have zero impact on hospital numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,518 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Do patients have an input into what information as regards their condition is given to the public?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    I will be very interested to learn whether all the extended lockdowns were worth it? I have my doubts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Yes and you can blame Nphet and the HSE for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    May well be poor translation from Greek to English. Politico draws material from news reports from the various countries.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's very difficult to compare Ireland to other countries because we've been such an outlier throughout.

    No other country in the world sat in lockdown for 6 months straight with low case numbers.

    No other country in the world deemed it necessary to maintain tight restrictions with less than 20 in ICU.


    Other countries allowed a sustainable level of cases to happen over a period of time. They are benefitting from the natural immunity and great leadership.

    We are suffering as always from the poor decisions of people also responsible for our poor health service.

    Also our level of debt and economy is in much worse health.

    Our handling of this has been catastrophic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Neighbour, lady in her 40s, took into hospital this morning with covid. Bit of extra timber on her but she was fit enough and regularly out walking. The rumour in estate is she was unvaxxed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If they are admitted and discharged within 24hrs they really won't have any impact on hospital numbers though. There would be an increase in admissions and and equal increase in discharges and the net effect of zero on the total hospital number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    Agree. But, firstly admissions are highlighted as a metric and secondly, perhaps this is where a surge facility like UK are intending can be used to take pressure off rest of system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    It's a rather morbid calculation. Personally, I think that had we introduced earlier mandatory masking, earlier mandatory social distancing and earlier mandatory ventilation indoors, we might have avoided such a draconian lockdown. But hindsight is 20/20 vision.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think you're seeing multiple issues in Ireland. I'm not sure that you could say that we're compliant with authority. There's got to be a level of trust in the system for that to happen. There isn't really any distance here between politics and the public.

    The issues in France for example are not the same. You've a country that has a history of powerful, long lasting (7 year terms until 2000) executive presidency vs one with very much the opposite, a proportional representation parliamentary democracy. One listens or it will collapse, the other ploughs on regardless. That's pretty much why France has a history of street protests and riots. People felt it was the only means of getting heard.

    Irish politics is also structured in a consensus finding way, and increasingly so as no party will ever hold an overall majority. You'll notice every major party and even the minor ones are on more or less the same page in this crisis. That's not the case in countries with highly polarised politics where covid is politicised. The US for example. Most of our conspiracy theorists seem to be basically online overspill from that too, I mean you literally had Trump and MAGA stuff appearing at some of the protests.

    The biggest thing I think has damaged trust has been the constant spin from the Department of Education. Talking to a lot of parents and teachers, I think the trust has evaporated. They feel spun to and I think that's likely to have political consequences for FF and FG and very deservedly so. They've really annoyed and patronised the 30-40 somethings.

    The other issue in Ireland is it's small. You can't really distance or abstract the impact of anything. So if someone has covid or someone's granny died of COVID half the country knows and there's genuine empathy.

    Finally, I think the biggest issue is we don't and cannot reasonably assume that we have a robust health system. It can barely cope (often can't cope) with the normal flu season. Everyone knows that and I think that's also been something we've probably accepted as reality when it has come to the cautious approach. The vaccine rollout efficiency had been impressive, and I think it also shows what the system could be if it all worked like that.

    Hopefully COVID shines a spotlight on it because it's a massive infrastructural weakness. I have read review of Ireland and time and time again it's one of the factors that puts people off moving and living here long term and I don't think that's understood by the likes of the IDA. I know quite a few people who moved here, had some horror story about A&E, wound up IT jobs and never came back. It comes up in various surveys too. Compared to many of our counterparts the health system here is crap. There's no getting around that and we're still failing to fix it.

    I think though this narrative that we're a nanny state or that we're somehow being pushovers doesn't hold true at all. It's just a cohesive society with a barely functioning public health system and it's treading carefully.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Would you ever stop! Incidental cases are a factor and a lot less likely in ICU!! The amount of admissions suggests a decent proportion are incidental! What do you propose to do? Lockdown fully? Our booster program is flying, let the vaccines do their work! Stop worrying!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    The increase in fuel and ikeas prices have nothing to do with Irelands domestic economy if you bothered to ever read beyond an articles headline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Only if that information was to make them identifiable.

    Where the data is aggregated and anonymised, there is no obligation to seek or obtain approval from the patient(s) included in that data.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Bit of extra timber on her

    Being fat is a major risk factor for serious illness and death from covid. Numbers from the US show being obese triples the risks of being hospitalised with covid. UK figures show similar trends.

    One study found that for people with a BMI of 35 to 40, risk of death from COVID-19 increases by 40% and with a BMI over 40 by 90%, compared to those not living with obesity. Other data found that in intensive care units, 7.9% of critically ill patients with COVID-19 had a BMI over 40 compared with 2.9% of the general population.

    Ireland has the second highest obesity rate in Europe. Around 60% of Irish men are overweight, around 50% of women. Obesity for both is around 25%.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    No.

    Their vaccination status would be know to all and sundry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Energy prices are rising globally. Maybe Tony had a hand in it but I doubt it.

    Construction costs have gone up, but it’s a global issue, way out of NPHET’s control, but blame them if it makes you feel better (lots of juicy thanks).

    Every EU member state has accrued huge debt through managing this once in a century pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,247 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    I'll take "things that are affecting everywhere" for 200.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,190 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I see RTE now jumping the gun with Covid figures and headlining the number in hospital each morning with Covid instead of reporting an overall daily new infection and hospitalisation figure as they did previously as it doesn't suit the new narrative, pure shock and awe exercise.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1231/1269266-covid-figures/



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  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Global supply chain issues accounting for 9% and I would suspect local disruption and also Brexit disjunction from the IKEA UK supply chain is probably making up the rest of it.

    We are going to see inflation here, and are already seeing it due to a double whammy of COVID and the British deciding to turn their supply chains upsidedown and inside out for the craic.

    COVID globally is causing big supply chain issues. We're feeling them and I think we will be for years to come.

    Eg if you look at lockdowns in China this week, those are already impacting chip and electronic supplies for the likes of Samsung and that means rising prices for everything electronic.

    Ireland's been relatively sheltered because of the shape of our economy. The things we produce are seeing demand increase and a lot of our economy is in services like IT and fintech that's relatively easy to work from home etc.

    Countries with big manufacturing bases in say automotives or consumer goods are seeing far starker impacts due to disruption and falling demand. Countries with high tourism dependency also were badly hit. Despite what we may think, Ireland is one of the least tourism dependent countries in Europe. I'm not saying it isn't an impactful sector, especially in rural areas, but it's not as significant a chunk of our economy as many places that have been really dramatic impacted.

    We've been relatively lucky in some ways, as long as we can keep the money flowing in, we can subsidise the domestic disruption to retail, hospitality and so on and a we've huge tourism spend abroad some of which got redirected domestically.

    I would be a bit concerned about the broader EU and global impacts though as that will eventually feed into stuff here. We are in a bit of a bubble, for now.



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