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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,213 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Careful now. You could get banished to the Ignore list. It's hell on earth there compared to under the bed or in the attic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Our lockdowns since after wave one have been based on case numbers. The problem is there is no target case number value for reopening. That is why our lockdowns are so long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    The wife has tested positive on an antigen test she had the virus a month ago-is this possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    its because of testing. ireland's population is getting tested. other countries testing not as prevalent. numbers in us are also crazy thats because people are getting tested before they see their familes for the holidays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    The issue now is that vaccinations and now the new variant have led to a disconnect between case numbers and the real metrics of hospital admissions (with COVID symptoms), ICU admissions (with Covid symptoms) and deaths.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    exactly and in relation to travel - most countries require negative test before entering - so everyone basically getting tested even if they dont feel sick. so theres a huge disconnect. they ie the powers to be - need to reassess this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    jaysus give it a rest and post something constructive maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,213 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    For tests per million population we're only 21st out of 45 European countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    As has been shown many times, contrary to what the cmo thinks, as a country we are quick to adapt and not stupid. The country as a whole has embraced antigen testing, especially in the past fornight.

    Omicron aside, I think we are picking up a lot of mild and asymptomatic cases on the back of that. I've no doubt had they been pushed in the past, our numbers would have been higher too.

    Its been said before, but Boris was right when he said, if can't open now then when can we. We should have been allowing natural immunity build up during the summer months when the commuity rates were lower and our immune systems were higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    was it at home or a professional one? unfortunately once you have the virus you could be testing positive for months. but antigen tests should be less sensitive than pcr. antigen really only say positive when you are infectious. so she should take it again. could she have gotten it again - its possible...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    pcr or antigen - at home or professional? hse or private? plus we are in the top half - whats wrong with that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Ireland has one of the lowest testing rates in the western world. Every other country has been using antigen tests from the start. But state run media in ireland only compared stats against PCR testing as obviously antigen testing is snake oil…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    home test -never knew you could be positive for months cheers for the info



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    yeah you can which is why its a scary thing especially if you are abroad and cant get home. but as i mentioned if it was a month ago antigen should be saying negative as she is not infectious anymore. the pcr will pick up all the genetic material so that could definetly be positive for awhile



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Haha! I must be a coward and hiding under my bed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,213 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    What do you think yourself, as you claimed our High number of positives is because (sic) 'other countries testing not as prevalent'?

    Of course it's official, recorded, PCR testing. I didn't say being in the top half half was good or bad, just not as dominant as you claimed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    At least government were quick to introduce snake oil while the rest of Europe were fast asleep for the last year. You could not make it up really that government scientists were calling antigen tests " snake oil " 🤣🤣

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,008 ✭✭✭amacca


    I wasn't aware you could be positive for months either? Thought it cleared your system?


    Whatever about being positive...is there any trustworthy data on when you are at your most infectious during infection...when you are shedding

    If a properly performed and functioning antigen says negative does that mean you are unlikely to be infectious?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,347 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Anyone justifying restrictions after January is completely bonkers. This needs to end ASAP. Ending this in January is perfect timing. Weather getting better, people going outdoors again, freshly boosted population, all the vulnerable boosted. Low numbers in hospitals, lots of natural immunity going on.

    “If not now then when?” couldn’t be any more relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭PowerToWait





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Weather getting better in January ? Can't wait to splash on the sun tan cream and get the t shirt's and shorts on in the next few weeks.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    i never said dominant- i said we are testing more than other countries. thats true. (by your statistics 24/45 are testing at lower rates than in ireland) its mutually exclusive. we only know the positive results due to the testing. but its not transferring to hospitalisations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    Asking a genuine question here. What are ourselves Scotland Wales and the North achieving with our extra restrictions? We do not appear to be doing any better than England who have very light restrictions? This is so infectious that it all appears completely pointless . Per head of population we are maybe even doing worse than England? Certainly don't appear to be doing any better .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,347 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    I said after January. Are you saying the weather doesn’t start to get better after January? Does cold and flu season not begin to end after January?

    What do you suggest we do then? Continue restricts until when? June? July? Or forever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 249 ✭✭Tippman24


    Well the question needs to be put to Chairman Tony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,746 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    When you see the constant stream of reports where asymptomatic people took an antigen test, found out they were positive and so adjusted their christmas plans accordingly, you really have to ask why the NPHET government don't receive censure over their opposition to such a clearly useful tool?

    How many people unknowingly spread covid that could have been prevented had antigen tests not been dismissed a snake oil by the "experts"?How may people died because of that unnecessary spread?

    Its not the first time that NPHET advice has led to deaths, what happened in nursing homes was a bigger disgrace again, but still in a functioning democracy they would normally be held to account for these actions and yet in Ireland there is not a peep about it.

    An independent review is badly needed. Such a real shame that one will never be allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Tbf with how mild our November was, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a cold February bad winter seemed delayed this year. Hell, we had snow in early March a few years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Europes most restricted country for nigh on 2 years along with being one of the most vaccinated countries in Europe don’t forget.

    But we have the highest infection rate also, so emm yeah, trust the science and all that, our experts telling us no need for masks for months, shoving infected people in to nursing homes at the beginning and call antigen testing snake oil whilst the rest of Europe used it to live with this virus for over a year.

    And people on here get upset if someone says something a little bit uncomplimentary about these experts and defend them to the last!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Is there any thoughts on why we have the highest infection rates?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes



    well ireland doesnt have its children vaccinated and we have a very high pop of kids so that MAY account for high infection rate.......



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