Would you have a problem living in a council estate?

25-12-2021 1:50am #1

I had a friend who lived in a council estate back in the early 90s. One day his daughter got lippy with a neighbor and the neighbors wife physically disciplined the kid. The guy made a huge deal about it and went to the police. From what I heard, it was no big deal, she just slapped the child a couple of times.

The guy moved out soon after that and now owns his own house. The kids haven't moved into a council estate since then and I was thinking this is probably the reason.

Would you have a problem living in a council estate because of incidents such as this? I've heard of a lot worse than this.

MrMusician18 · 25-12-2021 1:56am

I know the era you're referring to is almost 30 years ago, but laying a hand on someone else's child was crossing the line back then too.

Most don't want to live in council estates because of anti social behaviour. That simple really.

SamStonesArm · 25-12-2021 1:59am

Nope, no problem at all. ./next

micah537 · 25-12-2021 2:11am

You live where you can afford to live.

I grew up in the countryside and in the late 90s a farmer was roaring at me and approaching me because my brother jumped the wall to get a football from his empty field. Only our dog raced out and put himself between us, I would probably have got a smack of him since he had a past of hitting people.

So would you have a problem living in the countryside?

25-12-2021 2:15am

No i wouldn't. I have lived there before and trouble makers are few and far between.

SamStonesArm · 25-12-2021 2:16am

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A lot less "our shít dont stink " people also.

Why you replying to yourself?

25-12-2021 2:21am

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I'm replying to the guy above me. There are trouble makers in the countryside - there just isn't that many of them.

SamStonesArm · 25-12-2021 2:27am

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Oh sorry, my bad, was wondering what was going on lol.

micah537 · 25-12-2021 2:37am

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That's debatable. I lived on a road that was maybe 8 to 10km long, connecting two villages. There is definitely less than 100 houses on the road. Two people had criminal convictions from bar fights in one village, the lunatic mentioned above had no problem hitting his wife when drunk, a book called "the room I never had" was written by someone 3km from my parents house (it's about a grim scumbag torturing his sons), a couple of drink drivers, a farmer who used to lock his shed and kick the living daylights out of his sheepdogs and who knows what else went on behind closed doors in some of the other houses. Will a council estate with less than 100 houses have more or less evil than this?

Decent houses are 500k and the higher end stuff would be a million plus, and located 20km from a city, so not exactly a down and out kind of area.

passatman86 · 25-12-2021 2:45am

Depends, what councilors live there - aren't a lot of them gangsters

25-12-2021 1:02pm

I live in a private estate and a neighbour a couple of doors away would regularly threaten my daughter and other kids on the road with physical violence if they walked past his house. A few of the neighbours tried reasoning with him, but he insisted they should cross over the road and walk on the other side. He did assault one young lad with a hurl one day and the police were called an he was charged. (The young lad was walking to his own home, a couple of doors away).

Should I have sold up and moved?

Grew up in council estates and never once was physically assaulted or threatened with it, so yes, I would have no problem living in a council estate. Most older areas in Dublin anyway, started off as council estates.

25-12-2021 1:28pm

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From what I heard, it was no big deal, she just slapped the child a couple of times.

not a big deal? Let me tell you if my next door neighbour slapped one of mine, even once, the slap they’d get off me would give them dementia. No one has the right to hit a child, let alone a **** stranger.

Shilock · 25-12-2021 1:33pm

I lived on a council estate in Cork during the 90's for 4 year's while studying, the people were so friendly and approachable. And I made some good friends there in Togher.I liked living there, and the locals were the salt of the earth. A great laugh and I love inner city folk, especially Limerick they have a sense of humour and very sharp and old school.

I also lived on a big sprawling estate in Scotland working there for a few years looking after the gardens and arboretum for the owners. I got on well with the toffs, used to get invited to gatherings and if there was a party or celebration the grounds and equine staff would be invited.

I suppose I'm not so pushed on the middle classes, always trying to show off and looking down on who the think is below them and trying to emulate the people who are above them. While the upper classes laugh at the wannabes and feel like they can identify with the working class women and men more.

Here's a good analogy of what Billy Connolly thinks of the middle classes...

https://youtu.be/eZRXNoeCjQY

MTU · 25-12-2021 1:34pm

Council houses today are just free houses for people who don’t want to work, they vote for the independent tds who winge continuously.

why work when you get a council house for €25-€100 a week. Working is for fools.

25-12-2021 1:38pm

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How can a house be free if you’re also paying rent for it?

you do realise also you can (and people do) get social housing even when working.

but don’t let me stop you giving the big one about how the unemployed are living a kings life.

MTU · 25-12-2021 2:05pm

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€25 a week is a huge payment for sure.

corner of hells · 25-12-2021 2:11pm

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The rent paid weekly is 15% of your income.

maestroamado · 25-12-2021 2:13pm

There is a genuine openness about people who live in a Council estate that is rare... they are all on pretty much the same level and it works. I never lived in a Council estate but i think we could learn abit from this lifestyle if we chose to...

I used to be a bit snobby about this but life has taught me i was wrong...

25-12-2021 2:13pm

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It’s a minimum of €35 for a single person & €45 for a couple.

Keyword: MINIMUM.

MakersMark · 25-12-2021 2:39pm

I wouldnt live in a detached house in any estate, let alone a council estate.

25-12-2021 3:13pm

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If receiving social welfare and a portion of your social welfare payment goes to pay the 15% of your rental cost then you are in receipt of accommodation which has been paid for by others and not by you. That is a hard truth which you refuse to accept. You haven't ever been able to form a cogent response to this fact which proves that many people who have chosen to "work" (sic) the Benefits system receive accommodation for free and as they have conciously chosen to exploit the weaknesses in the system they displace the working poor in the limited supply of social housing stock which exists to supply demand.

25-12-2021 3:14pm

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But do you?

25-12-2021 3:25pm

Economists make a distinction between revealed and stated preferences. The revealed preferences of most people is that they will live in a house commensurate with their income, stated preferences don’t really match that.

HBC08 · 25-12-2021 3:52pm

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Ah that's quaint,is Internet hardman still a thing?

25-12-2021 4:03pm

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No. It’s called having been abused as a kid myself and having no tolerance for anyone assaulting a minor.

I sparsely think anyone deserves a slap and I’ve on even fewer occasions been the one to dish it out.

i don’t really care if you think I’m being “an internet hard man” because it makes no odds to me, but let me assure you, if I caught someone slapping or hitting a child, especially if it was one of mine, the slap they’d get off me would leave their head spinning. Someone who hits kids is nothing but a bully and a softie and the only way bullies learn is getting a taste of what they give out.

the fact anyone could watch someone hit a child, especially one of their own or someone they know has no relation to the person doing it & standby and do nothing is disgraceful. Kids depend on us to protect them. My parents failed me. I won’t fail mine.

25-12-2021 4:06pm

And honestly I won’t make many friends saying this, but as far as I’m concerned, if you sit and watch someone do that and take no action you’re as bad as they are.

not saying you should slap them back, call the guards, intervene somehow, but don’t just **** stand there and watch while a fully grown ass adult hits a small child. If you hit your kids you’re a monster who doesn’t deserve to have them. I don’t care what excuse you want to pull out of your arse.

HBC08 · 25-12-2021 4:10pm

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I don't agree with people hitting kids of course.People don't really need to state that as its kinda a given.

I find folks online talking about the savage beatings they'd hand out in different circumstances a bit sad and an indicator that they have their own anger issues.

Anyway, if that stuff did happen to you as a kid I empathise.Its not a conversation I want to have with a stranger online on Christmas day though.

25-12-2021 4:13pm

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I wouldn’t give someone a savage beating that’s a bit over the top.

what I said was the slap (as in just one would do) would leave their head dizzy.

I’m very aware it’s easy to type shite online and act the big man, not my intention, because whether you or anyone else thinks I’m “hard” or not is an irrelevance. I don’t care what people think about me, generally speaking!

like I said, as far as I’m concerned if you’re going to hit a child, you’re a bully picking on someone much smaller than you and it’s my experience the only thing bullies understand is being treated the same as they treat others.

tl;dr if someone hits a child; give them a slap back and see how fast they try it again.

PsychoPete · 25-12-2021 4:17pm

Yes, I'd hate to live in squalor amongst the peasants of a housing estate

MTU · 25-12-2021 4:18pm

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It’s what you can afford.

Key word AFFORD.

oceanman · 25-12-2021 4:24pm

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kids do depend on us to protect them and most responsible parents do that, but sometimes they need a clip in the ear too.....

25-12-2021 4:30pm

I have greater issues with people spelling 'NEIGHBOURS' without the 'u'

vriesmays · 27-12-2021 2:46pm

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Mostly from the dole payment so it's free.

_Brian · 27-12-2021 2:57pm

People do what they have to do.

I did in the 70’s in a small town and it was grand.

would I choose it for me or my kids, no I wouldn’t.

corner of hells · 27-12-2021 3:59pm

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Or disability or old age pension.

riclad · 02-01-2022 3:31pm

IS it still a council estate if all the houses are now owned by former tenants, or owned by people who bought the house from an ex tenant. Theres very few council houses left in dublin still owned by the council , they sold most of the off to former tenants after the year 2000.

cavan_man2021 · 02-01-2022 3:47pm

My wife has big boobs, she would get into loads of jealousy fights with other women in council estate

02-01-2022 3:56pm

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I'd rather live on that stretch than #Darndale,, 2 people out of hundreds with 'drink driving convictions' and a few 'domestics' , plus one incident/s (one person involved) of animal cruelty.. Someone wrote a book - at least proves he was intelligent... People are physically and mentally abused and tormented in most places... Pick a random house in an estate in Darndale and there could be a couple of inhabitants with scores of criminal convictions..

Are those people beating up their wives and kids in your area doing the same everywhere they go, and to others? Are there no cases of domestic abuse in council estates? As long as that shít doesn't extend beyond the house, why should any prospective buyer/renter give a crap? Not as if many houses are adjoining in areas like the one described by you..

#Darndale a well known example of an area such as might be described in OP..

Chances of getting mugged, randomly assaulted, and crap like that, I'd say pretty slim in your area..

So, no real point to your anecdote... Lots would swap living in a council estate to your previous locality in an instant..

02-01-2022 4:03pm

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Then your beef is with the big tech (American) companies, with their 'spellcheck' , as much, or more than some random poster's spelling.. When I spell 'neighbour' like so, on here, it underlines, as if to say: "you spelled that word wrong dawg" 😋 dawg got the underlining treatment too, so there's hope 😊

NiceFella · 02-01-2022 4:05pm

I don't think council estates are going to be much of a thing anymore given the 15% or so allotment of any new development to social housing.

That said I do live near a council estate and it's been a bit if a mixed bag. Grand for the most part.

One thing I can't stand though that you see in council estates is kids flying around on scramblers and quads. The noise of the things is really annoying. Also some people think it's ok to blare their car radio while they are in their garden. Having to listen to some numb nuts techno at 2 on Saturday obviously not ideal.

Mrs OBumble · 02-01-2022 8:47pm

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The councils are now buying entire estates from developers. Council estates ain't going away.

chosen1 · 02-01-2022 10:12pm

I'd say most people would be lying in they said that they had no problem living in a council estate. Most people I know that were brought up in the estates in my local town, couldn't wait to get out of them at the earliest opportunity.

The unfortunate fact is that there is a greater likelihood of having problem families living beside you in such estates and it can be difficult raising kids and keeping them away from trouble. I know that these people exist everywhere, but not to the same extent by far. Decent families leaving to go to other areas probably exacerbate the problem, but I couldn't blame them putting their own interest first.

Hopefully mixed social housing will improve all areas in future, but I can't see it solving it completely. There needs to be serious consequences for antisocial behaviour from tenants but no one in charge willing to take on this problem anytime soon unfortunately.

Potential-Monke · 03-01-2022 12:05am

Born and raised in the country. Owned a house in a private estate for 5 years, no issues at all. Estate of about 200 houses in total. But I often tended other estates as part of my job, and I wouldn't live in some of them if you paid me. Bering a country boy, I like my quietness, and council estates are more likely to be anything but, especially some of the more well known ones. I was somehow very lucky with my house, at night time it was nearly like being in the country.

Living back home for the last few years and I've developed an even greater love of the country, so I wouldn't like to leave it now. Or at the very least, if I was buying again I'd scope out the estate for a few days/nights to see what it's like!

Snails pace · 03-01-2022 1:15am

I'd live in a council estate if I had no other choice. Fond of my open spaces and quiet surroundings. Not sure would I get that there.

Thelonious Monk · 03-01-2022 2:16pm

I live in one. It's a bit unkempt and some of my neighbours never seem to get out of their pyjamas, and there hasn't been a shooting since a few New Year's Eve's ago, but it's grand, and the only place remotely affordable to me when I bought here.

People on boards.ie and Reddit Ireland etc are terrified of anyone in a tracksuit or people with Dublin accents, but I'd take this a million times over living in some soulless estate outside the M50 with a horrible commute. I am a few mins from the nicest urban park in Ireland (St Anne's) and not far from the Dart and sea. Most of my socially housed neighbours also work, from what I can tell anyway.

marieholmfan · 03-01-2022 4:06pm

The county council built the house I grew up in but it was one street so don't know if it was a council estate as such. The system they have now where 20% of the estate is council is a better one but it isn't working. They are letting the best be the enemy of the good.

corks finest · 03-01-2022 4:26pm

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😊😊

corks finest · 03-01-2022 4:45pm

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I’m not here by choice ( Cluid housing association)- divorce etc

tbh it was really shite for years but it’s gotten a lot better having finally turfed out the last lunatic and one other died and 2 more got new houses from the co council

was brought up in Bishopstown- moved to Creggan est Derry ( council house initially)

had little or no problems ref anti social activity up north- down here it’s the pits at times ( not just Carrigaline)

older council estate’s now are well settled in Cork city went from wildlife parks in the early 70s to much sought after areas now , especially in ten south side

majority of anti social activity in Carrigaline is done by yummy mummy kids as has been highlighted lately and for the last 3 years

I’m just glad of having had somewhere to raise my kid the last 12/3 years here

hes now in UCC hoping to be become a secondary teacher, never hung around this dump though bar playing GAA and local soccer, all his contemporaries are from Bishopstown all are either in UCC now or MIT,

all involved in sport and none have ever got in trouble with the law unlike a lot of kids in my immediate neighbourhood ( incidentally none of the local yobbos made any college, children from middle class areas in general are expected to go on to 3rd level education , it’s not for all as his leaving cert class in Colaiste an Spioraid Naiomh Bishopstown can testify , 2 of tbe boys went farming 2 to trades but ALL the rest to UCC -2to MIT

want him to have a choice where’ he lives what he drives and have a decent life

may sound snobby etc but I didn’t even contemplate sending him to the local community school-

he went to my former school as it’ was a stepping stone to UCC whereas the majority of kids who go to the comm don’t end up in 3rd level

billyhead · 03-01-2022 8:14pm

Even if you buy a house in a private estate there's nothing stopping and it's happening frequently where the Council buys the house on the open market and moves a family who are on the waiting list into it.