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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Kinda confused, there are two ct clamps in the picture.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The CT can be wired back to the Zappi or a harvi can be used to do it wirelessly.

    The CT needs to be around just the live wire coming from the solar, If it is around both the live and neutral it will read nothing. (Consumer unit is prob the easiest place to do it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    Sorry...white ct is just an owl Energy meter I have for years before I had solar or zappi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    Zappi is on my garage away from house so will need the harvi. So in picture below the breaker at end of top rail is the one labeled for Solar pv. So should ct clamp go on brown cable going in the top or out the bottom of the breaker?




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Generally its the top as there is normally a bus bar at the bottom.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,259 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Who installed that breaker ? There’s far to much copper exposed. Can’t believe a CV professional left it like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭ELCAT2009


    My solar installer...infamous Enniskillen crew mentioned so many times in solar quotes thread. Only noticed when I took off the cover of my board to see if I could easily fit ct clamp myself. Is there a risk of arcing or anything or os it more a risk of a screwdriver touching it?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Whilst it's with the best of intentions I post pics on Boards, I've stopped because there's always someone waiting to point out the failings, nothing like keyboard perfect electricians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,259 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Edser


    Quick question, sent a pic to a EV charger installer who says they think I need tails upgraded.

    If it was to come from the meter box, do I still need the tails upgraded? Obviously this adds quite a cost to the install.

    PS, we recently had a new smart meter installed if that makes a difference.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭meercat


    Yes they’ll have to be upgraded if they’re not 16mm square

    the mains tails should be capable of taking the whole load of the installation irrespective of where the main consumer unit is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Haven't got time to read through the thread, but wondering what the current rules are around the purchase of a home charging point?

    Are grants still available? €600?

    Can you buy a 2nd hand one? If so, what proof do you provide if you can't provide a receipt if it's bought from a private seller?

    Can you get a local electrician to fit one? Or does it have to be done via ecars or someone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,024 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Had a visit from the kn guy to fix the Eo, he was about as useful as a chocolate teapot. After much feckin around he rang Eo in the uk who told him to open it up and check the connections…. Anyway he was whinging because I painted it but there was no paint inside the unit, he took a zillion photos and emailed them off to Eo, so it still isn’t transmitting its network and Eo are supposed to get in touch with me…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭freddieot


    Are KN doing the installs on behalf of another supplier or are they selling the service themselves ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    on behalf of electric ireland, and its pretty good value, but they arent really into anything out of the ordinary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭freddieot


    Thanks. I've seen them mentioned enough times now, not in a complimentary way, to just avoid them, and Electric Ireland it would seem, when I'm getting an install done next Jan \ Feb. One of the first question I will ask is who actually does the installation on the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i used them and had no complaints and im sure 1000s of other people are in the same boat,

    if you have specific needs or requirements, pay a bit more and get someone else, if not they are decent value (relatively speaking)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    The internet can make you think something is an issue when it really isn't. KN ensures a high basic standard of installation and you'd have very solid come back if you have any issues. The fact they follow standard templates for installation allows them to charge a minimum and bring home charging into an affordable bracket. But they're not a premium installer, if you want someone a little bit bespoke, you're out of luck. They also not specialists in the chargers themselves, so any setup issues, they're unlikely to be able to help.

    The real question is how much you're willing to pay for what is basically an outdoor plug.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭freddieot


    Thanks Manion - I'm sure they do a decent job and I don't necessarily need anything bespoke. The house is 17 year old and the meter box is at the side. I want a charger (probably EO untethered) and the required isolator switch unit to be wired from the meter box (outside). I can clearly see from a previous post that this is the way it can be done unless the installation is not in a new build. KN seem to have issues with this and want to go from the consumer board only. That is their choice but they are out for me as an option as I'm not debating that issues with guys on the day etc.

    The only other issue I can see in my own place is that we have 2 electric shower pumps so maybe this will need something done in the consumer box such as an upgraded fuse or a priority switch in case we wantt o use them at teh same time the car is charging ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    we have 2 electric shower pumps

    Are they electric showers (i.e. 9kW) or just power showers with hot water from a tank which is heated by gas/oil?


    If they are electric showers then that will complicate matters for you.

    If they are just pumps it might be useful to see what they are rated at, to see if a priority switch is required or not.

    Adding a 32A continuous load to your house needs to be properly "designed" in, even if you dont like what you are hearing! :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭freddieot


    Not electric showers, looking in the press it is one pump unit about the size of a shoebox with both shower feeds going through \ from it. The house is 3 storey so I assume it is just to increase the shower pressure from the tank. The water is coming from the hot tank, heated by the gas boiler etc.. I can turn it off and the showers still work but without the added pressure. Can't see the ratings \ markings as that side is against the wall.

    I've no issue with getting whatever needs to be done and paying for it as long as the installers follows the industry guidelines. I'm not a fan of 'that's the only way we do it' approach and reading here for a while that seems to be the case with the meter \ consumer box issue, despite the industry guidelines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    I really admire the confidence of people to state rules, regs, cans and can nots of installs while not knowing if they have an electric or pumped shower in their own house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭freddieot


    I'll take that as a compliment as confidence comes from a bit of checking. The ECSSA for example indicate clearly that it is not mandatory to go from the consumer box in every install except in the case of new builds. Other installation companies seem to have no issue with following that line either, from what I can see on here over hundreds of posts on the subject.

    I don't really care what kind of pump I have. When I get an expert to access the install they will tell me what type it is and whether I need a priority switch etc. My point is I'm not having a company come with the decision already made to only go from the Consumer Board, and knock a hole in my wall, just because it's the way they always do it. I'll simply ask that question up front.

    It's the same reason I decide on my car colour rather than the salesman telling me which one I should have, because he only sells that colour, and what would I know I'm not a paint expert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    You don't need to be an expert to get an EV charger installed. From memory basic electricity is covered in the junior cert. That the regs allow you to install from the meter is a point that is clear enough to anyone who can read. That a home owner doesn't want power cables ruining their property, running through walls etc, is not a cause for ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    If you get the unit installed from the meter, essentially your entire existing consumer board becomes a sub board to a new one installed in the meter box. The meter tails connect into the new board. Your house is placed on a new switch, you charger or on another and the mains supply is is protected by an rcbo.

    If you get a load balancing device separately or as part of your charger, it can throttle the power to your charger on the basis of what is being used by the house. If you're not having issues today this device will be enough so you don't have any once installation is complete.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Can you point me to the reg that says it is ok to install from the meter cab?

    This is a grey area at present with Safe Electric rowing back on their March newsletter (which I assume you are calling regs) and advising multiple installation companies that this is no longer accepted.

    ECCSA have now gone against this and it's left it up in the air with many not willing to install from the meter cab incase it's a red flag with Safe Electric.

    If someone is worried about power cables ruining their property they should probably get some who knows what they're doing and will give it the time it needs. KN and similar serve a purpose but anything more than hole out the back of your board to an external wall will be seen as a nuisance to their installers who are on strict daily targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    I didn't realize you said it's 100% fine to install from the meter. I thought you had posted something completely wrong and uninformed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    By the way, you won't find an installer who doesn't want to fit from the meter cabinet. Some, not all, have been advised by Safe Electric not to continue doing it. It's fairly disgraceful to be honest and gives the companies/individuals that have not had this message from Safe Electric a significant advantage in the home install business



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