Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Of course, someone can't just throw out any hypothesis and claim that it's true without evidence but if there are two opposing claims (e.g. vaccines reduce transmission, vaccines don't reduce transmission) then it makes more sense to prove that they do. In fact the statistical tests used for these studies only work in this way (i.e. they can only "prove" that they reduce transmission, and not the opposite). I'm not just trying to be obstinate.

The study I pasted is the one your news article cited. It shows no difference in rates of transmission from unvacc->vacc, vacc->vacc, vacc->unvacc. It only shows slightly higher transmission for unvacc->unvacc. I pasted the relevant part from the paper above, and linked to the paper.

The findings show a secondary infection rate of 13% from a vaccinated index case to unvaccinated contacts versus a 22% secondary infection rate from an unvaccinated index case to unvaccinated contacts.

So whether the index case was vaccinated or unvaccinated made a significant difference to how many people the infection was transmitted to.

I don't know what basis you make the claim that transmission from unvaccinated to unvaccinated is not relevant, especially as the discussion was related to covid pass.

Even if Omicron changes the picture somewhat, that picture may change with future variants again - but it establishes the general principle that vaccines have an effect which can reduce transmission, and it is false to claim the contrary.

Because NPHET recommendations also have an impact on people's mental health. Why would you object to a mental health expert/representative being in NPHET?

I feel sorry for my local hotel. I know the owner well and he's a good man. The place is often quite at the best of times. I like going there myself. There's no issue with social distancing there because the place does not get packed out.

I don't agree with last Fridays guidelines of an 8pm curfew for hospitality.

I think hospitality should have been allowed to run at reduced capacity.

I also think there should be a lockdown for the unvaccinated. Inforce the covid pass every where and make it illegal with heavy penalties to falsify the document or borrow someone else's covid pass.

Yeah, that's what I said. The only increase in transmission they find is from unvacc -> unvacc, which isn't relevant in any EU country anymore. Even then, it's a marginal difference. As such, the line that "vaccines reduce transmission" should not be used to justify any restrictions based on vaccination status now, e.g. the covid cert. Rates of transmission in the real world (i.e. where 90+% of adults are vaccinated) are the same whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, now.

I don't know if there is but there is a huge difference in clinical mental health issues and celebrity inspired "issues" which amount little more than "I don't like this"

A few questions for the boardsies:

1. Is there somewhere I can find figures on where recent outbreaks have occurred - i.e. in hospitality, gyms, household, work, whatever? I ask because I heard on the radio someone saying there was no transmission of covid recorded in pubs over the past three weeks. I caught covid in a pub three weeks ago, but was never asked either online or over the phone where I may have got it from.
2. I am hoping to go to the UK on the 27th, returning on 2nd January. I know I need a professionally administered antigen test within 48 hours of returning. The only places doing them are certain pharmacies, like some Boots/Lloyds etc, I'm sort of scuppered as so many pharmacies are not doing them on New Years Eve/New Years Day, and we will be driving for 8 hours back to the boat on Sunday 2 January. If anyone knows anywhere in Cornwall that will be doing "fit to fly" antigen tests on 31 Dec/1 Jan I'd love to know where. Even somewhere in Bristol or Cardiff that might do them on 2 January would be helpful.
3. I'm worried that a "professionally administered" antigen test will be more sensitive than a home taken antigen test and, similar to a PCR test, might lead to the some vestiges of my infection three weeks ago showing up in the results. How sensitive are the antigen test carried out in pharmacies? Am I going to be left in a situation where we have to drive to Scotland and get the boat to Belfast in order to get home? Should I just bloody cancel the holiday (for the 4th time)?

Thanks!

We have had 660K cases. Assuming a reasonable confirmed case to undetected infection ratio of one to ten, wouldn't most of us have had it by now?

The NLF suspended their intensive testing regime because most of the positive cases (85%) simply weren't sick. These cases would rarely detected be in the wider community because asymptomatic people don't generally present for a test.

No, that isn't what you said. It directly contradicts what you said, you don't seem to register this?

To state that "The only increase in transmission they find is from unvacc -> unvacc" is simply untrue. It is not stated in the linked article, it is your misunderstanding of the article.

It's not a marginal difference. If you were vaccinated you were 63% less likely to pass on infection to an unvaccinated person you were living with than if you were unvaccinated. Do you realise what that means?

It's completely relevant as to why governments across Europe don't want unvaccinated mingling in high risk environments, and is the basis for covid pass systems. Whether it is 10% here or 30% in other countries, the unvaccinated are having a disproportionate impact on hospitals. So state they are not relevant is utterly without foundation no matter how many times you repeat it.

Sorry if this is the wrong forum to ask - are many of ye keeping a low profile until Christmas day? I've cancelled a few things bar a lunch with the brother before Christmas, feels really sad to be doing it.