Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Where did he say "there is no difference in the transmission"?

If the studies listed came out after that tweet, deGascun may not have been aware of them, that study about viral loads triggered others. It's true that vaccinated people can transmit to their close contacts. But - they don't transmit as much as unvaccinated.

He is referencing a study on viral loads, which is just about peak viral loads. It did not consider how infectious they were.

Subsequent information established the peak viral loads phase is much shorter for vaccinated than unvaccinated, and as referenced in the New Scientist article the actual viral load output from vaccinated was not as infectious as that from unvaccinated.

So, the claim there is no difference in transmission from vaccinated versus unvaccinated is untrue.

This is from the information the hse have issued ahead of childrens vaccinations. Are the hse wrong?

Hard cringe reading comments like that... such a feeble unthinking attempt at shutting down discourse. I'm sick of people choosing piety above rationality.

edit: to be clear - I mean the comment you quoted. I agree with you.

6% of paddy's didnt get the vaccine, and they've been exposed to a hostile reception everyday for 6 months

N -n-none of them received a hero's welcome

Denmark has jumped to 13,057 today off their highest daily testing total of 243K.

What were they heros for? 😕

I dont know why you'd want or need a booster for at least 6 months after having Covid. I don't think it'll do any harm getting it but the natural response is as strong (for 6 months) as a vaccine according to the CDC.

I'm sure quite a lot of people have gotten a vacvine/booster who had been asymptomatic at this stage

No, you just don't prove a negative in a circumstance like this, i.e. you can never prove that a vaccine doesn't prevent transmission under some circumstances, however you can prove that they do, so that's where the burden of proof lies.

You should read the paper that this article references (here: Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 transmission to household contacts during dominance of Delta variant (B.1.617.2), August-September 2021, the Netherlands | medRxiv), to see that rates of transmission is NOT reduced from/to vaccinated/unvaccinated people. Transmission is only higher from unvaccinated to unvaccinated, which is irrelevant now.

Is there a mental health expert in NPHET?

If not, there should be.

Looks like we'll be getting amended covid certs, they'll be needed for EU travel.

Right, so people can throw out any kind of negative claim that want to, and you won't look for substantiation. They didn't just not definitely prove a negative, but provide any support or justification whatsoever for the sweeping claim. Really? Pull the other one. There is a burden of justification for such sweeping claims, or it is a licence for fake news.

But in any event, the original claim has been shown to be without foundation, by multiple studies. And I stand over, supported by the studies, the claim that vaccines reduce transmission and infection.

Also, the discussion was originally about covid pass which is a different environment to household close contacts, and so specially relevant to whether transmission is higher unvaccinated to unvaccinated.

The study you have cited shows there is less transmission among vaccinated people versus unvaccinated - with a lower secondary attack score. As does the studies I have cited.

So the best study you can find to counter the claim the vaccination doesn't affect transmission, actually proves that it reduces it.

Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to fully vaccinated household contacts was 40% (95% confidence interval (CI) 20-54%), which is in addition to the direct protection of vaccination of contacts against infection. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts was 63% (95%CI 46-75%).

Can you advise when would be a “good time” for a new variant?

At last we have a variant that is not more than a cold for the vast vast majority of people compared to the one before. The timing couldn’t be better.