People who reluctantly got vaccinated, how has your life been affected?

CT stuff gets a lot of likes here so it's probably the place for it ha

He was saying the government are rushing to take the credit for the work Omicron will do to give people natural immunity seeing as it spreads so fast and potentially is a milder strain. Sounds exactly like government behaviour. Kinda like how Shane Ross coached Katie Taylor to olympic gold.

I'd hope so but I'm really not so confident.

My better half was in Germany a few weeks ago. They already had boosters added to the digital cert over there, so to get into a pub/nightclub hassle-free you either had to be at least triple jabbed, or if you were 'only' double-jabbed you also had to show negative PCR test result.

The negative PCR result makes more sense in terms of stopping spread than proof of vaccine anyway. But over there you need both unless boosted. You couldn't e.g. get in somewhere with a negative test if unvaxxed (which is counter-intuitive and I believe against the supposed purpose of the digital pass in the first place).

Point is, everyone just goes along with it over there because at the end of the day, what else are they going to do?

It's certainly possible - the key difference here is that I will accept that finding if scientific research supports it.

But anti-vaxers have no time for science, or don't understand it, or regard it as a conspiracy against them.

But people have been railing against 'the vaccine' since we have had or will have Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford AZ, J&J and Janssen. Entirely different products. Do you not agree that there seems to be some deliberate obfuscation by anti-vaxxers, who with their huge vaccine expertise must be aware of this?

Right, so there have been at least 4 vaccines, soon be more, in use in Ireland, in addition to another rake of vaccines from other manufacturers not even available in this country. So why do anti-vaxxers talk about 'the vaccine'?

I'm not sure why you are attacking me, as I don't profess the medical knowledge required to make decisions on the usefulness of the vaccine: I entrust that to medical experts. And the medical experts have weighed in, as you may have heard at some point over the last year or two.

Anti-vaxxers do profess to have knowledge about this, to the degree that they actively discourage people from getting these life-saving vaccines and have now even started block booking vaccine appointments to prevent others getting them.

Why do they pretend all the vaccines are the same? And why do you refuse to answer this simple question?

There are two available - they happen to use the same technology. If you can buy a hybrid from Toyota and another hybrid from Ford, is there only one car available for sale?

So you're wrong there for a start. In addition, 2 others have been used by the state (with another different technology). And more have been approved will be used in the future.

Not sure what your agenda is in trying to obfuscate this. It's black and white.

The point you are struggling to understand is that a Ford hybrid and a Toyota hybrid are not the same car. They are different cars, and even have different engines that use the same basic technology, but implemented in different ways. I'm not sure I can make it any simpler for you. If you still think this is one car, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

I am asking why the anti-vax movement tries to pretend there is a single vaccine when there must be nearly a dozen different vaccines worldwide at this point. If you have no view on why this is so, that is fine. But perhaps you should add to your 55,000+ posts addressing a different topic?

To be fair, that's a misunderstanding on your part of what vaccine immunity means. Barring the very rare blood clotting issue with the Adenovector vaccines (where the mechanism of how it happens is understood and future versions should be able to eliminate it) there's been no "surprising" side effects from the vaccines after billions given. Myocarditis is very rare but also occurs with other vaccines that stimulate the immune system (which means it's generally more likely for the person if they contract COVID itself), allergies are also rare but happen with all medicines.

To be honest, it does seen you have an issue with it, I would advise to talk to your own GP about it as it sounds like those at the MVC weren't prepared to give advice (which is fair as they don't know your medical history), we're not quite at the "babying" stage for people (and with 93% adult take up, it probably isn't necessary, offering a free burger is unlikely to change minds).

The COVID pass will remain as long as the unvaccinated use of the health service remains disproportionate and the health service is under pressure, it's beyond it's use as a stick, the few remaining will howl about it, but there is a safe, simple option for them.