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Sash windows 2021

  • 15-12-2021 3:55pm
    Registered Users Posts: 10 Padoreilly

    Hi, we had sash windows fitted yesterday as part of an overall house renovation. There is disagreement between the fitter and basically everybody else as to how they should be finished. Our builder and architect have never seen it done like this and would expect this part of the window to be secured with small narrow nails. The screws look awful so would be interested to see if anybody else had sash windows fitted recently and could send me some photos?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭ Yellow_Fern

    It looks like there is no window board. Could that be used instead for the bottom?

  • Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭ Biker1

    Surely filler will be used over the screw heads and painted, same would be the case if nails were used.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Padoreilly

    Hi, as it is a full renovation the interior is not fully finished and plastering etc still to happen. These screws go around all 4 sides of the window.

  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,506 Mod ✭✭✭✭ DOCARCH

    Are you sure those screws are fixing the windows into the opes? The screws look like they are just fixings for the battens holding the sashes in place?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,504 ✭✭✭ tabby aspreme

    Staff beads are usually held in place with small oval nails, not screws, as they may need to be removed at some point in the future

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,506 Mod ✭✭✭✭ DOCARCH

    Them....staff beads....couldn't think of the name off top of my head! I have seen them fixed with screws.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Padoreilly

    I am learning a bit of terminology over that past 24hrs. The screws are fixing the sash beads. My builder and architect are off the few small pin nails should be used and then if you need access you carefully pry the sash bead out.

  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭ C. Eastwood

    This is not first class joinery. The screws holding the planted-on bead are unacceptable. The mitre between the cill, and stile planted-on beads is open. There is

    a wad of silicone mastics at the corner of the pane of glass. (See photo). This was not done by a qualified Joiner. It is very poor workmanship. In the traditional Vertical Sliding Sash windows, all of the planted-on beads are fixed with 40 mm wire oval nails, to enable the beads to be removed to replace the sash chords.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Padoreilly

    You should also see the paint bad. I can see myself just getting somebody else in to fix everything properly.

  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭ C. Eastwood

    I recommend either driving the screws in about 5 mm, fill over with internal Polyfilla. Fill the open mitre joint. Sandpaper over the polyfilla, paint with 2 coats of paint.

    You could also remove the screws and fit screws with a smaller head and drive the heads down about 5 mm - and do as stated above.

    Use a sharp knife to cut off the silicone which is protruding between the glass and the sash.

    DO Not scratch the glass with the sandpaper. Before sandpapering over the polyfilla- apply masking tape to the glass - in next to the sash frame.

    These planted on beads should have been fixed with a nail gun, or panelpins - NOT screws.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭ chooseusername

    Did those staff beads come with the brush seals pre fitted, ie routed into the bead,

    or are the stuck on?

    They don't look like conventional internal staff beads to me.

    Also check the parting bead has the seal on the inside at the bottom and outside on the top.