United Ireland Poll - please vote

There is a way in which it could be done.

Rather than the SoS calling a definitive border poll under the GFA, they could call an indicative poll, which if passed, would allow for discussions on a future relationship and a future united Ireland, to then be put to the electorate on both sides of the border. The potential need for two polls is something that has been discussed by academics.

That is anathema to the GFA, where the North is given a veto on future arrangements. It is a pipedream of yours but no SoS will call a border poll in such circumstances.

It absolutely addresses your post. Would you support a situation were a UI only needed 35%, for maturity like?

Surely with an indicative poll you would get more people to vote YES on the basis that it would do no harm to see what a united Ireland is about before we get a second vote on it.

As I said, this is something that academics have begin talking about. However, the fact that such discussion is really only occurring among academics at this point shows how far away such a poll is.

You keep forgetting what the GFA says.

"(ii) recognise that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish, accepting that this right must be achieved and exercised with and subject to the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland; "

There must be a separate vote in the North on the arrangements to apply to a united Ireland. You can't have a single all-island vote on arrangements. In the future, it is quite possible that in order to hold to the provisions of the GFA, constitutional change on this island will require separate votes, North and South, before they are confirmed.

This is the type of tit for tat sectarian head-counting that is the preserve of exclusionary nationalists on both sides.

Never said that. Please point to me saying that.

Naive thinking.

A united Ireland will require an international Treaty with the UK and I cannot see any form that Treaty might take that would not require a referendum.

Not a bit. You yourself have said that in the event of a united Ireland we would be starting from scratch, so there is nothing in anything that you have posted on the issue that would prevent this. It gives certainty to the people of Northern Ireland that they won't be just subsumed and become forgotten.

Look at the reality Francie of the North. Unionism is in a minority and is declining. Nationalism is in a minority and is declining. A third minority, those who call themselves Northern Irish is a growing minority. Whoever appeals to that group in the middle will win a border poll. That group will want to preserve a Northern Irish identity. That can be done through the existing status quo, through increased devolution within the UK, through an independent Northern Ireland or through a separate Northern Irish identity within a united Ireland (there are other possibilities too including increased joint sovereignty over the North). That is where you exclusionary nationalists need to focus your thinking and reform your outdated concepts. Retaining indefinitely the Northern Ireland veto on constitutional change contained in the GFA is one way of doing so.