Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Burkie1203 · 14-12-2021 10:08AM

JVG leaving

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1470696525537947650?s=20

mahoney_j · 14-12-2021 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318798#Comment_118318798

Just saw that on Twitter ….**** timing to announce it hopefully won’t upset rest of season too much ….hope rowntree stays but where do we get a top backs coach and head coach /director of rugby …..rog and Mike prendergast obvious choices but not sure either would leave current jobs atm

irelandrover · 14-12-2021 10:18AM

I cant say that im upset he's leaving. But it really depends on who they bring in. Id have assumed that Larkham was the natural successor. Are there any rumours about who will come in?

bennyl10 · 14-12-2021 10:23AM

If we keep Rowntree it’s not the end of the world.

if he leaves also we’re in a bad bad place

Former Former Former · 14-12-2021 10:27AM

Official Announcement

Munster Rugby | Munster Rugby Confirm Johann van Graan Departure At End Of Season

phog · 14-12-2021 10:28AM

He's leaving Munster with a raft of young blood that is ready to wear the jersey, whoever we get will have the bones of a home grown squad supplemented with a few shrewd signings and with a bit of luck here and there should assist the new coaching ticket in bringing Munster to the next level.

I wish Johann nothing but the best of luck in whatever lies ahead for him and his family.

F34 · 14-12-2021 10:32AM

Stuart Lancaster could be an interesting shout if he’d be interested.

Burkie1203 · 14-12-2021 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318841#Comment_118318841

I really think Munster (fans at least) need to stop looking at past players for coaching positions every time a spot is there.

RoG has nearly 3 years left on his contract. Not sure that the money is there to buy that out

irelandrover · 14-12-2021 10:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318933#Comment_118318933

I think if RoG got it it would be due to what he's done since going into coaching as well as the fact he's an ex player.

Lancaster would be my call but i doubt he'd want it. Seems happy in his role with Leinster.

FrannoFan · 14-12-2021 10:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118276374#Comment_118276374

this aged well

Akrasia · 14-12-2021 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318933#Comment_118318933

I agree, but if POC wants to have a go as head coach then

awec · 14-12-2021 10:45AM

JVG leaving is good news for Munster. He's a bluffer.

Lsdrugbyfan · 14-12-2021 10:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318926#Comment_118318926

he wont be

TomsOnTheRoof · 14-12-2021 10:53AM

Scott Robertson would be fantastic

mahoney_j · 14-12-2021 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319002#Comment_118319002

Give him his dues look at all the young home grown talent brought through and based on Sunday what’s still to come ….

Cookiemunster · 14-12-2021 10:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318954#Comment_118318954

ROG has done absolutely nothing to be considered for the Munster job other than being Munster legend ROG. Lets look at his actual coaching career. He was defence coach at Racing. He was an assistant backs coach at the Crusaders. Last year he was second in command to Gibbes at LAR. This season, his first season as the main man, LAR have a 50% win/loss ratio. He is a long way from being a proven head coach.

awec · 14-12-2021 10:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319070#Comment_118319070

I don’t think people should get too far ahead of themselves with Sundays result.

Cookiemunster · 14-12-2021 10:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318979#Comment_118318979

No thanks. POC has 1 season as forwards coach at Stade Francais and 1 year as Ireland forwards coach. That's nowhere near being up to being head coach. I can't believe people forget the Axel experience so easily.

irelandrover · 14-12-2021 11:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319073#Comment_118319073

I'm not saying he should get the job. I'm saying he has coaching experience, has reasonably good coaching experience. More experience than van Graan had when he took the job. If O Connell got it it would be based purely on the fact that he is an ex player.

Id be surprised if whoever gets the job has more experience than RoG.

arsebiscuits1 · 14-12-2021 11:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319093#Comment_118319093

JVG had 2 years hands on coaching experience as an assistant coach before coming to Munster

Cookiemunster · 14-12-2021 11:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319121#Comment_118319121

Cossie has as more coaching experience than ROG. I'd be amazed if whoever gets the job doesn't have more experience than ROG.

It's irrelevant anyway as he's in year one of a three year contract and was pretty disparaging about the URC only last week.

14-12-2021 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319073#Comment_118319073

You'd not have hired joe schmidt bt that standard to be fair and he's the greatest irish coaching hire we'd ever have.

Rog won't come he's made it fairly clear he wants to do this right and it's not the right time for the Munster job for him

Prendergasts an interesting shout at the very east he'd never leave munster but if he's brought in as backs coach I hope it's with the blessing of the new head coach.

Scott robinsons a pipe dream at this point you'd think and I'd wager at best he'd be coming until post the world Cup and that's not much good

jamie Joseph or David gibb may be interesting shouts

Jump_In_Jack · 14-12-2021 11:09AM

Johann was a class act in my opinion. If you look at his tenure with any objectivity, he has brought Munster to as close as possible to winning trophies. We just weren't good enough to go one step further.

He seems to have the integrity to call time now and make way for a new coach to give an uplift hopefully with fresh ideas.

I think at the end of the season the South African Non-Irish Eligible players will all be out of contract, so a new coach will have a blank canvas to bring in who they want, or to use the available talent.

My hope is that we promote Ian Costello and bring in an attack coach with an expansive game plan tailored for the players now coming through so they will have a mobile skillful team in a few years time like:

J Wycherley, Buckley, J French,

O'Connor, Ahern,

F Wycherley, G Coombes, Hodnett.

Casey, Crowley,

Daly, Goggin, L Coombes, Nash,

Campbell.

Reps: Barron, Donnelly, Knox, Hurley, Okeke, Coughlan, Healy, S French.

Burkie1203 · 14-12-2021 11:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319070#Comment_118319070

Wasps were missing what, 25/30 players through injury/covid. A lot of those new players wouldn't have been considered for a game where it not for the covid situation. Sunday was a good win, but the way it is being portrayed by some its like the Munster academy team beat the NZ World Cup winners from 2015. Terms like miracle etc being bandied about. Wasps are poor enough and were missing just as many If not more frontliners.

JVG is a buffer, fobbed off onto Munster by Rassie do he could escape quicker.

Former Former Former · 14-12-2021 11:15AM

In three and a half years, I don't think Munster have progressed at all and I'm not sure another two years would have made any difference. Time for some new blood.

Tbh we won't know for another couple of seasons how successful the development of young guys has or has not been on his watch but as of now it's hard to make any great claims for him on that front either.

sydthebeat · 14-12-2021 11:23AM

agreed 100% with awec.

Munster are better off without him (once they bring in a decent replacement who actually has head coach experience and an appreciation of munster rugby identity, and a vision as to how they should play given the talents available)

Dutchy would fit that bill perfectly imho.

alanb92 · 14-12-2021 11:43AM

Noel McNamara would be an interesting choice as head coach, I think he could do a great job. Nigel Carolan for attach coach could be a shout if Prendergast stays with Racing.

Must love hardship · 14-12-2021 11:45AM

Not ideal a year out from a World cup to pick up a top head Coach.

And with the uncertainty around covid I'm not sure how many southern hemisphere coaches like scott Robertson etc would be interested in moving to ireland right now.

What Irish options are out there for the set up?

Could you see a return of Flannery and Jones to the set up.

O'connell- hard to leave ireland 12 months out from WC

Mike pendergast is an interesting one.

Donnacha Ryan is only starting out at coaching with Rog. Maybe in a few years time.

Michael Bradley has top level experience and could be an outside shout...

Mark Mccall has a contract until 2025 so that's him ruled out.

Conor o shea has a top job in England.

Kidney.. for a 2 year contract...you'd never know..

phog · 14-12-2021 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319184#Comment_118319184

Munster hadn't played a competitive game of rugby in 50 days, that's a longer break than most teams have between seasons, they trained in pods not as a squad and in some cases it was players coaching players. We traveled to Coventry without our usual backroom team and a team of 23 with 12 competition debutantes. Some of our team played their first game of rugby this year on Sunday The way some people portray our win you'd think we were a team of internationals playing against an AIL standard team.

I think posters/media are over reacting to the win on both sides, maybe give credit to both teams for fulfilling the fixture

RichieRich_89 · 14-12-2021 11:53AM

Carolan, Costello, McNamara, Holland options, maybe. Probably important for them that they hold on to Ferreira for continuity. He's a good defence coach.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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