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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Even if Omicron is mild (and it looks like it is 🤞) Delta is still the dominant variant here and there's no reason someone couldn't be infected by both simultaneously. So maybe in a month or so everyone can (hopefully) chill out, but in the mean time people who are elderly or vulnerable (and those in contact with them) still need to be careful.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    You really have to take anything an English politician says with a truck load of salt.

    Dominic Raab on sky, 250 people in hospital with Omicron.

    Dominic Raab 30 minutes later on the BBC - 9 people in hospital with Omicron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    I have to correct you here. You cannot have two variants in a person with different cell attack rates without a winner and a loser (anomalies aside). You can already see that in the rise of Omicron, replacing Delta. It does NOT add up unlike some of the headlines suggest. The two variants may live side by side in the community for a while until one outpaces the other. Delta goes down, Omicron up. It is a matter of scale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    One individual diagnosed in hospital has sadly died

    This implies he was in hospital for something else and then tested positive - suggests (not confirms) he died with omicron not from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Contradicting almost everything I've posted in the last few days (it's that kinda pandemic) I now think Omicron is actually about to go exponential in the UK and just run riot there, and short after here, in the next few weeks. Hopefully it's very mild in which case this could be a good thing long term. It may be so transmissible too that things like lockdowns and even PCR testing become pointless - hospitals just deal as best they can with whoever turns up.

    Am I getting this wrong? That's my read this morning anyway..... currently have Delta myself. Will be a bit pissed off if I get Omicron within weeks. Thought there was an upside to getting delta....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Thanks for the correction. Saw a doc say it on something the other day... telly or a podcast I can't remember. Glad to hear it's not the case.

    I suppose he might have been talking about the possibility of catching Omicron just after the viral load has died down from Delta? He didn't say that, but... to give him fair dues lol.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    The rate of hospitalisations should largely increase with the rate of transmission regardless of severity, so it’s not unexpected. What we need to understand is the ratio of hospitalisations to cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    Indeed.

    I don't think people realise how much people want this to be deadly and us back to March 2020 ...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks that way, pretty serious **** is about to hit the fan everywhere. Hopefully the boosters do the trick and it is not as harmful as it could be.


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭323


    Exactly. Another death being twisted to feed the narrative required to keep the emergency in place. Without the emergency reason for the Conditional Marketing Authorisation dissapears and the jabs would have to be withdrawn.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    300k cases a day !!! haha in a country with 5M people.

    Ah yeah Eric Topol, another "100M deaths from covid" predictor ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    There's a bit of a hospitalisation paradox with Omicron; assuming it has a lower hospitalisation rate but a higher vaccine escape rate than Delta. In a largely unvaccinated country like ZA, an Omicron surge will see hospital numbers grow, but at a slower rate than a comparable Delta surge. Which is a big relief to such a country.

    In a highly vaccinated country - like Denmark or Ireland - then an Omicron surge may see hospital numbers increase despite in general a milder illness, because the vaccine escape is higher. Which is a cause for concern for such countries.

    However, if it is a milder illness, then the translation of those cases to ICU and deaths will be lower, which should mean no need for panic. We, for example, typically cite 2,000 patients in hospital as being our "limit" but that's only when you consider a 10:1 ratio for patients going to ICU. If Omicron has a 20:1 ratio then we can handle 4,000 covid patients in hospital. And we have the bed capacity for that afaik.

    Since we know that the booster jab is highly effective here, then it once more tells us that boosters are the only game in town. Forget restrictions and crowd capacity limits, get boosters in arms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    A: Look at all this data from South Africa !! it looks good, and it's 3 weeks old and 1000s in sample size ...

    B: NO no no no the data is not enough , it's too soon and the sample sizes are too small ... we can't get ANYTHING from this data ...

    B: Look at this !!, in Denmark we have 1 day old data with a sample size of *TEN* but it looks more SEVERE!!!

    OH MY GOD, it's a DISASTER !! We must take these findings as fact though and use it to spread more FEAR!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Jimi H


    If it’s mild and hopefully it is, we might be able to get back to some level of normality. Maybe in Spring? If there’s high levels of infection among healthcare workers and they are absent from work, I wonder how that would play out in a couple of months. We know NPHET are conservative and their emphasis would be to protect the health service but government would be under enormous pressure to open up (if it turns out to be mild).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Of course though, the elephant in the room with 1000's in hospital with covid and ICU choked is what do we do for ICU and beds if a bus hits a truck on the M50 and the two of them glide into few houses ?

    Thats possible but it's really the metaphorical equivalent of ignoring the wipe out of needed care for normal potentially life threatening conditions like cancer and dozens of others



  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Irish times reporting more restrictions coming. I wonder how long before they cancel non-essential travel. Suppose, will slow spread of omicron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Wrong thread, but the article says NPHET expected to recommend more restrictions. Nothing definitive about that yet, hopefully MM actually grows a pair of balls and stands up this time



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  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's related to stopping spread of the omicron variant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    You can't stop it though.

    And if the data from SA is to be believed, why is there so much concern around this head cold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    That looks pointless to me. It's spreading fast, genie back in bottle stuff. SA data promising though.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    " 700 would get infected and 210 would end up in hospital."

    What on Earth are you talking about?

    It isn't 1 in 3. It's more like 1 in 300. If 1% of unvaccinated people go to hospital, then 0.3% of vaccinated go to hospital. That is what a 70% reduction means. It doesn't mean 70% of the infected don't go to hospital and 30% do.

    How can anyone still think that 1 in 3 people go to hospital. It's the end of 2021 like. There is no excuse for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy




  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apologies. I mixed my numbers up, it would be 161. I'll edit my post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The words talking and the words butthole spring to mind, not sure why.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've edited my response. Read it. You're like two orders of magnitude out at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Some Right Said Fred Maths starting to appear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    So most of the vunerable and elderly are vaccinated including myself, so who'll be the people hospitalised ?

    The people who haven't had any vaccine at all, or the people who are double vaccinated and haven't had the booster. Or people with all three vaccines.

    Or does it matter whether you're in the bracket of all three aforementioned in my paragraph above.

    I'm very confused and concerned with all the different scenarios, I'm finding it hard to keep up with it all.



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