Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

Longing · 12-12-2021 08:12PM

Imaging if the didn't make the track changes to make it quicker. There would be no 3 extra laps added this year to the race distance. Incredible set of circumstances to finish of truly epic season.

Relax brah · 12-12-2021 08:13PM

Excellent - Toto is a disgrace

MadYaker · 12-12-2021 08:13PM

If that’s their decision so be it. I wanted to see Max win and I think he deserves it more than Hamilton, but I fundamentally disagree with the idea of one person being to toss the regulations of the sport aside on a whim, regardless of who that person is.

Rossi IRL · 12-12-2021 08:13PM

Not a fan of the race director having the power to bend the rules mid race. Hopefully that gets sorted for next season. Can't see a repeat of this mess.

enfant terrible · 12-12-2021 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311224#Comment_118311224

But why couldn't he hold off max for one lap. Perez on old tyres held off Lewis on fresh tyres for a lap.

alan partridge aha · 12-12-2021 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311407#Comment_118311407

Brilliant delighted for the smarmy Wolff.

mr_edge_to_you · 12-12-2021 08:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311389#Comment_118311389

No point posting updates so!.......

namloc1980 · 12-12-2021 08:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311396#Comment_118311396

I posted that one earlier, 15.3 gives the race director ultimate overriding authority on the use of the safety car notwithstanding other rules. Loose wording perhaps but that's what you get in these sorts of regulations as a get out of jail free card.

LIGHTNING · 12-12-2021 08:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311409#Comment_118311409

So your saying its Karun's fault 😅

Mantis Toboggan · 12-12-2021 08:15PM

Correct decision made, shame it had to come to this, knives will be out for Mercedes and Hamilton next season and rightly so.

Faugheen · 12-12-2021 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311417#Comment_118311417

Because he was on 30-odd lap old hards and Max was on brand spanking new softs.

The move Max made on Hamilton was an excellent one that nobody saw coming. A move worthy of winning the World Championship.

I find it baffling how everyone can just see everything in black and white.

Ohmeha · 12-12-2021 08:15PM

My reading of the stewards verdict is simply that race director call over use of the safety car supersedes all other rules. No way Mercedes will roll over on that but it would be a shock if CAS or any legal entity try to overturn it

devnull · 12-12-2021 08:16PM

Thing is, if you have situation where someone tries to change a referees decision after the event, where does that end?

Imagine in football, offside goal, wasn't disallowed in the match but we deduct a goal after the match.

Cricket, someone was out, after the race seems he wasn't, reinstate the wicket.

Rugby, video ref made a mistake and someone was awarded a try, deduct the points.

JeffKenna · 12-12-2021 08:17PM

Wad Max behind the backmarkers before his stop? I remember Lewis lost ground and was complaining on the radio but not sure if Max had passed them by the time the SC was out.

Faugheen · 12-12-2021 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311415#Comment_118311415

So do I, but Mercedes should let it go now but it should start a very serious conversation about the powers of the Race Director and what rules he can and can't impose on a whim, for the simple reason that all it did was cause sh*tshow after sh*tshow this season.

iffandonlyif · 12-12-2021 08:18PM

Wow, the RB defence is really weak. I argued earlier why ‘any’ very much does have the same meaning as all. The point about 48.13 overriding 48.12 is irrelevant because at issue is whether it was legitimate to ignore 48.12. The rules state that the race director has ‘overriding authority’ over the clerk of the course, not of the rules! And lastly, it is highly dubious that the outcome would have been the same with five lapped cars between Verstappen and Hamilton.

There was no alternative to refusing the appeal, but RB had nothing up their sleeve.

Discodog · 12-12-2021 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311403#Comment_118311403

Good luck with that in Court - which is where this will end up. Millions of new viewers watched this race. They saw a driver 11 seconds ahead have his lead cut to zero by the decision of a steward when that driver had done nothing wrong. The FAI love safety cars, second grid starts etc because it increases the "excitement". It's like the ref disallowing a goal just to give the other team a chance.

It's shown that races can be won or lost on a coin toss. That one man can decide who wins. Imaging the 5000 meters where an official decides that all the athletes must bunch back up together. It would be exciting but totally unsporting.

devnull · 12-12-2021 08:19PM

Terribly biased commentary on BBC website, stating all sorts of things about Red Bull benefiting from rules not being applied, but don't seem to have mentioned at all about Hamilton getting away with a blatant breach at the start. Almost like they're biased.

LIGHTNING · 12-12-2021 08:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311438#Comment_118311438

Your first season watching F1? Cos teams have been bending rules since the dawn of time using the type of logic above. Its the reason why the rule book is the size of a phone-book.

dulpit · 12-12-2021 08:20PM

Hopefully next season its not Mercedes versus red bull again. Nobody on either side is particularly likeable (well I like Bottas and Checo, but no Hamilton or Verstappen or the bosses)...

Padre_Pio · 12-12-2021 08:20PM

Hollow victory for Max.

Spent 50 laps in second place, 15 secs behind Hamilton up to the crash.

Had a series of fortunate events:

Latifi crashed and SC sent out.

Was well placed to swap tyres.

Hamilton was not placed to swap tyres.

Race restarted with one lap to go.

Lapped cars were told to get out of his way.

We came for the drama and got it, but a clear cut win from either driver would have been far more preferable. Max is probably sitting and waiting for deliberations instead of doing body shots off Kelly Piquet.

At the end of the day, goals win games and places win races.

Gamb!t · 12-12-2021 08:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311205#Comment_118311205

Yup, thought he took it very well. Really dont understand the hate this guy gets.

Delighted for Max, Hamilton has been robbed right at the end as he drove really well in this rac but he has also been very lucky with some decisions earlier this season..

Ohmeha · 12-12-2021 08:21PM

The only positive of this debacle today in that Masi is done

devnull · 12-12-2021 08:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311439#Comment_118311439

Your football authority is strange, if in a football match a referee makes a bad decision, do teams try and get goals deducted after the match finishes?

12-12-2021 08:22PM

Hamilton was asked what tyres he'd like in the case of a safety car. He said I don't mind they're all good, these ones are good too.

The race was won on tactics, to be honest I have to wonder would it even matter what tyres they had. Max had his opportunity and took it. He drove like a lunatic, you can see he nearly lost grip on the very last turn sliding over the kerb.

iffandonlyif · 12-12-2021 08:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311403#Comment_118311403

No they didn’t. They reported Red Bull’s argument that ‘all doesn’t mean any’ and made no mention of it in their own case.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311449#Comment_118311449

My point was that the arguments were so weak that no rules were at risk of being bent.

Burkie1203 · 12-12-2021 08:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311439#Comment_118311439

Remember when Hamilton crashed but was able to unlap himself because of a red flag, something hw whined about endlessly last week

Remember 2018 when Hamilton complained about the Ferraris hitting the Mercs and how they shouldnt be able to finish ahead of the car they took out, didnt bother him at silverstone

namloc1980 · 12-12-2021 08:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311439#Comment_118311439

Article 15.3 gives the Race Director ultimate and overriding authority over the use of the safety car. An easy out for the stewards and the FIA.

LIGHTNING · 12-12-2021 08:23PM

Hollow victory my hoop, the only reason its even this close was because he was taken out twice by Merc cars this season.

Jordan 199 · 12-12-2021 08:23PM

I say this is easily the busiest thread I ever started 😲

Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

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