First olympic transgender athlete to compete at Tokyo 2020 **MOD NOTE IN OP**

'MY answer though, is that I don’t know - I don’t share their confidence in the answer they just pulled out of their arse'

Poster doesn't know if, on average, men are stronger then women. Deary, deary me.

I don’t suppose you’d care to explain what you’re seeing there that I’m not? Your suggestion that you have my answer in a roundabout way to the question of whether men are stronger than women in the vast majority of cases is like me saying that I know someone is a woman because they have long hair. It’s a safe assumption which works out in the vast majority of cases, but there was that one case where I was wrong.

He was fine about it, thankfully 😅

Honestly I’m not wiggling, it just seems to me that you thought I was making an argument I wasn’t. I know there are differences between the genders (or sex, either way as far as I’m concerned it’s binary on both counts, I don’t subscribe to the notion of a third sex or non-binary, etc). That’s why I said I get where you’re coming from - I can’t even remember the context but I do always try and see where other people are coming from and allow for the fact that we just don’t see something the same way. I know I pick things up wrong, and I know I get picked up wrong, but it’s only irritating when I know they’re doing it on purpose.

Take for example I figure from what I know of you that you have some sort of a background in science. I know for a fact that there are other posters here who do, because they’ve said so. When those posters come out with something which they have to know is misleading, because they couldn’t possibly not know - that’s annoying. The most common misleading statement is the perceived relationship between behaviour and biology to promote the idea of “male violence”. Are men violent as a consequence of biology? There’s just no relationship between the two concepts in the first place.

Ohh Q 😏

Enduro are you familiar with the expression “hurler on the ditch”?

Don’t do yourself an injury on my account.

Oh look, it's not all rainbows and unicorns on the UPenn swim team and it wasn't just me "projecting" after all. No one who understands the work these athletes have put in, for pretty much their entire lives, to get where they are, could think they would feel any other way. I'm not sure some people get that.

You’re right ceadaoin, it’s not just you projecting, it’s this guy and all with the anonymous callers to his radio show -

About as much credibility as Jussie Smullet.

To your credit though, at least you did provide a link, which were using the Daily Mail as their source, who were using Outkicked as their source, who were using three anonymous callers out of a team of…looks like… ohh I lost count, terrible at basic arithmetic, but I know you like the pictures -

(my gawd if that isn’t a “where’s Wally?” photo! 😂)

In any case, or since their case was dismissed rather, I hear the ADF have some free time on their calendar -

I don’t mind answering the question, I do mind the limitations you set on how I answered the question. You’re not entitled to the answer you want when you’re putting a question to me that doesn’t in any way relate to anything I’ve ever said. At no point, ever, and you can draft in an army of Inspector Clueless’ to go back through my post history if you like, have I ever said that I wanted women and men to perform together at boxing and weightlifting competitions. What I HAVE said, consistently, is that there should be no discrimination on the basis of sex, in any sport, thereby recognising anyones right to participate in any sport they wish, regardless of their sex.

You should be familiar with the concept, marriage equality extended the legal right to enter into marriage in Ireland to all couples without discrimination as to their sex. I remember it well because it was the only time I was ever rude to a priest when he tried to shove a pamphlet into my hand at mass and I told him in no uncertain terms shove it up his hole. My confidant of 15 years tried to humiliate me into submission in front of the whole congregation, and I was just having none of it.

It was fine though because most of the congregation didn’t have a word of English, they were all Filipino, Brazilian and Polish immigrants, and I know how much you love immigrants. How do I know they were all immigrants? Because I had to fight with the nose wrinkling twats on the Board of Management to get their children into the same school as my son. The twats on the BOM didn’t care much for childrens right to education.

The thing you don’t seem to get is that discrimination comes from attempting to deny people the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. When everyone has the same rights, and is actually regarded as having equal status in law, then they don’t have to concern themselves with kissing anyones arse and hoping people will be gracious enough to allow them to participate as equals in society.

Lol.

I didn’t even need to zoom in on the picture to pick out the Wally-[(ette)?].

This transgender competition thing is so unfair to born females. Transgender males and females should compete against each other regardless of their sex attribution. Then, let them complain about how unfair the stakes are in the new iteration male vs female debacle.

It's completely unfair to natal women. I find it hard to understand how it's been allowed come to this stage where records are being broken that presumably natal women won't ever break again. What kind of incentive does that create for girls to take up sport? But, then you see that comment about the coach who "just likes winning". Maybe he gets paid performance bonuses as well?

That's it, leaving it as it currently is will only discourage biological women from competing. No doubt there are girls out there involved in some kind of sport, seeing these kinds of things happening, and deciding to just not bother. Why would they, when no matter how hard they work or dedicate to their sport, they can be beaten by someone who decided that they're a women now. It's totally unfair and is causing soon to be irreparable damage to womens sport.

Warning, high pitched...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvz3F4HP170

I linked to that video before either in this thread or another. There's another video with the girl on the right in a gym, with aspiring high level gymnastics girls, trying to do men's gymnastics, and struggling.