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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    True but a lot of people are mentally and emotionally drained. The approach since MM took over has been akin to Chinese water torture. 10 months of an "abundance of caution" only to have a freedom day we weren't allowed call freedom day, which we then weren't given anyway followed by the reintroduction of restrictions not even 8 weeks later.


    Every "rule" is backed up by threats and fines because there's always an assumption we are too bold and stupid to follow advice. And none of the restrictions are ever lifted when they say - which we find out about via "leaks" consistently 2 weeks in advance.


    Then on top of that we start getting texts saying there's a storm but your kid can go to school tomorrow, no wait they cant..no they can but not until Wednesday...no actually not Wednesday either.


    Many areas were not impacted but local principals weren't allowed use their judgement. More blanket rule nonsense and poor communication. Mentally a lot of people have lost the ability to cope with this crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Well in general it's important to continue sequencing. There's value in knowing what is circulating and identifying a new variant in the unlikely chance one develops here. Our facilities for sequencing though are clearly limited, we were a lot slower to identify cases than others.

    At this stage though there's no need to separately announce new Omicron cases. Roll it up into the weekly/fortnightly reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    512 people in hospital, down 18 on yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The presenter on VM put that question to Micheal last night and he said we have to “slow it down”.

    I’ve a feeling that tactic is completely and utterly useless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,438 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Well shutting things down has been their only tactic so far so why stop now I suppose!

    Edit: misread the quote as "shut it down"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    So what you are saying is we all need to be good boys and girls and never question anything that is handed down to us from people Michael Martin and Leo Varadkar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    In theory if you seed 10 cases rather than 1000, you get another 3 weeks of doubling every 3 days to prepare an exceptionally responsive healthcare system for the onslaught of severe disease.

    In practice you can pull almost every part of that sentence to pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    Our current restrictions are doing little to nothing to slow the virus, its mostly covid theatre.

    See, didn't take long to pull your sentence to pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    JFC, this place has gone nuts.

    Of course it didn't take you long, I was deliberately presenting it that way to demonstrate that the "slow down" policy is both well-intentioned and completely pointless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Best avoided. Covid has sent a few people over the edge tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    It's like every single post is treated as some kind of moral purity test.



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    Yeah I think the 'slowing it down until we know more' flies straight over my head. Would knowing more even change our plan at this point? Slowing the spread until we get more boosters out would seem a more logical argument



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    As I sit here with the virus I'm wondering something, imagine we reverted to our old way of judging flu like symptoms, i.e not really giving a hoot unless you were bed ridden, and people just gone on as normal spreading the virus at a rate we probably haven't seen, how long would the healthcare system collapse? When people use the word 'collapse' it makes it seem like the situation cannot be recovered but that isn't how it would go, you'd imagine there would be a period where we'd have to face a significant number of deaths but how long would that last and what would it be like when we come out the other side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I don't think you'll find an easy answer to that, because people being mostly considerate and reasonable, in the absence of restrictions people will still "give a hoot", which is partly why we get waves of infection rather than simple logistic growth to 100% infection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    I think people need to accept it’s winter. There is going to be a big outbreak of Covid, vaccination over the summer and now boosters for elderly and vulnerable were supposed to be the way forward for the people of Ireland to get on with their lives, hospitals have coped ok so far with recent outbreaks. I think if there’s a bigger outbreak after Christmas, the Government and NPHET will completely overdo their response despite vaccination & booster, the balance needs to be gotten right.

    The great ‘unknown’ with Onnicron seems to be fading, it’s not causing a lot of fatalities and hospitals in South Africa are ok to date.

    Why are we getting push notifications re ‘One case / two cases of Omicron found in Ireland’. This is followed by Dr Tony tweeting, and then a press release from Government re 5 days of antigen testing for U.K. arrivals.

    What is the end goal? Fear fear fear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Exactly. There is a star chamber of politicians and scientists who have come together to terrify Irish people. They don't give a fcuk about the population. Not one single solitary fcuk. They meet every Friday in the back room of Mulligans and the only item on the agenda is fear-mongering. Keep this to yourself. Not a word to anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Random Virgin media journalist on Twitter **** Breaking - 2 cases of Omicron found in Sallins ***


    Absolute desperation from them.


    They are lost without direct contact with NPHET



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Blah blah blah - conspiracy theorist / far right, no one is listening to posters such as yourself anymore. You’ve labelled too many people that disagree with this nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I was watching One flew over the cuckoo's nest the other night and I was shocked by how similar Nurse Ratched is to the bureaucratic technocrats that have taken hold of our lives over the past 18 months. Like McMurphy, we might get hurt or die by facing the risk prevalent in daily life but ultimately our lived experience will be much richer! Never ever ever underestimate what power can do to some people. Not all villains come twirling their oversized moustaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Actually I think there’s something in that that makes sense. Probably needs hindsight investigation, but it does seem that countries that had well-timed control of their borders fared better.

    There’s a critical level of seeding that will be reached through community spread eventually though, and the wave begins regardless. Border controls (testing) to ‘flatten the seed’ and sharp, short interval restrictions to ‘flatten the spread’ - that’s my recipe should a deadly pandemic ever come our way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Logical isn't it. Either that or just roll the red carpet out and do nothing.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Time to consider carpet bombing the place before it spreads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Without a united Ireland or at least strong and sensible cross-border co-operation any attempt at a biosecure border is going to be futile.

    There are people who would probably prefer to die rather than let that happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Its noticeable how quite this forum has gotten since the kick back last friday in regards to NPHET members being a little bit curtailed in their extra curricular media engagements.

    Not only that but in general there seems to be less in your face COVID hysteria since with it making a nice change not to have the merry go round of NPHET experts following one another from studio to studio on their celebrity tour and trying to outdo one another in terms of how many interviews they can do in a week!!

    And guess what, the world hasnt fallen in, COVID hasnt gone away but the people are still doing what was expected of them, isnt it a shock that the people didnt need it rammed down their throats all the time to still do the right thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Very similar to the hysteria in early 2020

    "There's a case in Clare, Jesus that's only one county away, double bolt the door tonight Bridie, it's coming for us"

    At least that time people could be excused for thinking this might kill a huge number of people.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭The Nu man in town


    Tonys prediction of 400000 cases in December is falling flat on its face right as we speak.

    They have thrown every cheap shot in their arsenal at the public to scare, intimidate and shame people into sitting at home until the middle of January.

    Very few people have bought it yet their sought after surge in hospitalisations and ICU's is not happening.

    To think that at the beginning of September these arrogant loons were laying down the law with people regarding who could come to your house for Christmas dinner.

    Glad to see the back of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Nothing short of this will do

    Sallins should be handy, all our top military kit is nearby...



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