OpenStreetMap Unnecessary Public Listing of our Farm Buildings / Features

Re: "Not when every satellite image and commercial map available tells you exactly the same thing.

Please advise where satellite images/commercial maps currently label buildings/structures on private property in Ireland- as far as I know the only instances of this are historical sites/monuments?

In Ireland the OSI provide maps with resolution and aerial imagery accurate 30cm2 resolution, and can come complete with detailed Metadata (technical data about the imagery) which allows anyone to know what buildings/structures are. That's just in Ireland, online there are several Openstreetmap variants. The dept of Agriculture has detailed maps of all agricultural holdings, those same maps are available to anyone by requesting through the freedom of Information Act.

I think what the likes of OpenStreetMap is doing is just using public knowledge and resources to build a complete map of what is already available through fragmented sources

OSI is a Government mandated body that is covered by GDPR.

With regards to "technical data about imagery" that is fudging the issue and imo pure bolloxology. I don't care about how many pixels per square cm were used or whatever.

DAFM, Insurance companies and possibly Dept of Environment had knowledge of the usage of buildings on our private land. I would like to see proof that any of these entities provide such detailed information, as well you guessed it they are covered by GDPR.

IMO what OpenSnooperMap.org (see what I did just there) are doing, is inviting random individuals to dismiss the right of Irish farmers to enjoy our private property.

I've an awful feeling that the fookin right to roam brigade and animal right activists are big into it.

You obviously didn't read my post correctly or chose not too, anyway as I clearly explained it but here it is again - DAFM, Insurance companies and possibly Dept of Environment had knowledge of the usage of buildings on our private land. I would like to see proof that any of these entities provide such detailed information, as well you guessed it they are covered by GDPR.

I did read your post, as I said you are trying to fudge the subject by implying that GDPR is some sort of caveat to the labelling of buildings.

Again I will repeat for the last time GDPR relates ONLY to personal data, not to buildings or any other structure. An example of a GDPR violation wrt mapping would be to put the name of someone on there house within openstreetmaps.

Check your own Sfp parcels, look at the detailed information on the maps. Houses, farm buildings are identified. Then scroll the map and look at the next farm, again building information is recorded on the Map, not the owner just the building type.

If you can't do that then get your teagasc advisor to show you.

If you want you a can pay the likes of espacial to provide similar information, but they charge, at least openstreetmap is free.

Apologies as I got waylayed feeding meal to a few heifer calves that are out.

Where will your personal information be shared?

At the point of collection of your personal data (e.g. in the application form) information should be provided on where the personal data you are providing will be shared. At all times it will only be shared where there is a valid legal basis to do so and in accordance with the appropriate Data Protection legislation.

It’s not public knowledge though.

labelling a building as workshop or fuel store is nothing but speculation by people who know no difference. Bit might be enough to encourage some knacker to chance their arm for a haul of tools.

I think it's an interesting debate. As the OP & others have pointed out, we live in an age of rapidly changing technology and the proliferation of information gathering. There are two aspects that struck me, first when I went to search a little about open street map that despite the emphasis on this being a volunteer community project, that huge sums of money are being invested in it by the large multi national 'information' giants. Why? One reason is that Google has been heavily involved in this type of information gathering, is that this type of information is what binds together a lot of their marketing and advertising sales and delivery of product. Whether this is good or bad I don't know but information is currency and has value. And if that information includes details on farms, it's all grist to the mill.

The second is that farmers whether they like or not are being 'checked' from the sky. There are companies that have contracts to monitor land use in conjunction with compliance for various EU farm payment schemes. The so called 'eye in the sky'. There's not much you can hide nowadays.

Not to this extreme though.

Cow houses were called farm offices then and that was only purely for the landlords interest when the rents were due.

The farm offices are not labelled on the osi maps.

Im thinking of getting one to the sheds roofs this summer and painting in big letters "P1ss off Google"

Who wants the data. Very simply anyone with an idea to make money, from lads planning solar panels to my country cousins with so called lamping.

Information is power. Too much and it's uncontrollable. Just look at what Mehole and Leaky Leo did to gag Tony and the boys.

I personally have no issue with buildings being labelled farm buildings, but exact descriptions, which are sensitive to my business I do.

While you or I can't change it individually a stand taken by a number of people can be enough to change the policy direction regarding classification of certain items with Opensource mapping. Remember the noisy wheel gets the oil

Still awaiting!

The OSM advocates here are still listening to the little voices in their heads. No contributor here is against the mapping. The problem is the labelling. Label the building as shed/agricultural shed/something generic. It's the "tool shed" and "machinery shed" level of labelling that's the problem. No one other than me/family/employees knows what my sheds are used for. They are the only ones that need to know. Some gimp with a labelling fetish labelling things, often times arseways, has no business in doing that. Volunteer or not, this info is being scraped by the big contributors to OSM (Facebook/Apple/Microsoft). The volunteers are essentially free employees to this crowd.

The request here is to label things generically, not with such detail. Everyone happy then I think.

For the craic I'll probably start labelling random things as mad stuff altogether. Be great fun. Will through a few bunkers and things into housing estates. Label garden sheds as home offices, etc. No one can stop me it seems and no one allegedly cares.

I remember interesting story told at one of those pre GDPR conferences about the use of mapping to trawl for prospective customers so to speak.

A solicitor had been asked if it was ok for a charity to cross match google maps and I think something like voter/census information to pinpoint prospective clients.

The charity worked on getting older people to bequeath sums of money in their wills.

Now what some bright spark wanted to do was target elderly people who had nice big gardens and big houses in the towns/cities.

The charity was advised they couldn't cold call people like this, but who is to say some other organisation/company is not targeting people based on maps.

People have no idea how their data and how even the satelite mapping imagery of their homes and businesses are going to be used.

That doesn’t answer why you wouldn’t compromise as suggested.

your response is more “I’m doing this because I can”

It’s indicative of an ongoing loss in society. Individuals not thinking about others as humans but as adversaries to be gotten the better of.

Possibly people whos in person life is lacking or out of control so they go online and prove to themselves they can beat others at some nonsense thing or other.