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The Omicron variant

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I'd certainly prefer if there was no threat of my two year old needing an overnight stay in the hospital, woody.

    Your wonderful 2022 would be a bit of a mixed bag for us parents if this gets more severe for children.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    And can you please pay off with the laughing emojis.

    Nothing you say is ever funny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    I think there's still an undercurrent of zero-covidism in some posters here and indeed in some policymakers; the idea that all traces of the virus must be eliminated through restrictions, lockdowns and vaccines. The possibility that it might simply evolve into an less lethal strain is abhorrent because people will stop taking the need for restrictions and vaccines seriously.

    While it is probably still too early to say what the lethality of this variant is, if it turns out to be relatively benign, the whole strategy would need to change. The virus would need to be encouraged to spread among the healthy population while protecting the vulnerable for a period of time until a good level of immunity is reached in the general population. Because this is a complete change of direction, we can expect it to be opposed every step of the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭fm


    Maluleke said healthcare workers could be acting out of an abundance of caution. "They would rather have a child under care for a day or two than having a child at home and complicating, ... but we really need to wait for the evidence," she said.



  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A life without risk is not life.

    Put things in proportion.

    How can you be this dramatic 🙄 after 2 years of this.

    Omicrom is the least threat to you or your children for the past 2 years.

    SA admitted children out of caution.

    Most people in hospital are breathing on their own compared to previous waves.

    Most are in there for other reasons or out of caution.

    Maybe stop reading twitter pages.

    I've listened to the same sources for over a year.

    Not surfing the web radomly for fear.

    That is so 2020.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭corkie


    The variant PCR test is now so secure in its detection of the omicron virus variant that a variant PCR detected case is counted as an omicron case. Therefore, the previously "suspected cases" are now listed as proven.

    Source

    I quoted the above earlier, but has Denmark got a variant pcr test that can identify 'Omicron'? Or are they just flagging the Missing ‘S’ gene as to say the cases are omicron without expensive genome testing?

    Omicron's 'wacko' combination of mutations has scientists split over whether it developed in humans or animals

    The animal theory, however, may help explain why scientists detected the first Omicron case on November 9, when the variant's lineage dates back to last year. Had Omicron been lurking in animals, it would have been particularly difficult to spot.

    "The surveillance in humans has only recently ramped up to something that we're not embarrassed about," Read said. "The surveillance in animals is an awful long way away."


    To people saying they want to get 'Omicron' version (if it turns out to be milder), what difference would it make to you? You would still be an infected carrier and have to isolate anyway. It is unlikely that you would be told what variant you contracted, unless you got so sick that they send your test for GS?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    "To people saying they want to get 'Omicron' version (if it turns out to be milder), what difference would it make to you? You would still be an infected carrier and have to isolate anyway. It is unlikely that you would be told what variant you contracted, unless you got so sick that they send your test for GS?"

    If it is particularly mild, however, you might never know you had it, so no one would be in a position to tell you to isolate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Hospital cases quadrupled in 2 weeks. If there was a disproportionate increase in incidental cases in hospital vs actually suffering from covid over the past 2 weeks thats a positive from a severvity point of few, but shows how transmissible it is in a hospital setting.

    If its 4 times increase but with the same ratio of incidental:actual to 2 weeks ago, incidentals dont matter, those actually been treated for covid still went up 4 fold. Its likely to be the former to be fair.

    yes but if that ends up a strategy you still have to let it spread in some sort of controlled manner. Or else you just have everyone who still could end up very ill in hospital in a timeframe too short for the health system to cope.



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  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Every pandemic runs its course.

    Nature is in charge, not us with our lockdowns masks or even vaccines.

    While vaccines have saved millions of lives, nature has come to our rescue and humanised covid.

    SA has vaccinated 25% of its population and is experiencing a huge wave yet deaths are falling every day there and nobody has died of new strain.

    We are now in the mop up stage bar a few dramatic people screaming "what about the children".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    I think you may be assuming a level of rationality here among policymakers that may not be warranted. We're certainly at an interesting point however where continued restrictions may be prolonging the pandemic, preventing the virus from running its course and causing more deaths in the process.



  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A month ago if you caught covid in Ireland you could could guarantee you caught delta.

    In three months time you could be very confident if they are telling you omnicrom is the dominant strain that you caught that strain.

    Why you'd want to catch it is you know in your heart it's less severe.

    Why you'd want to catch it is your now in the recovered from covid camp.

    Best camp to be in.

    Vaccinated group just means your in a queue to catching it at a later date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Certainly looks that way. Another super spreader outbreak in Denmark recorded just now

    150 high school students at a party

    55 infected with covid

    53 of those are omicron positive (38 confirmed via S-gene dropout & 15 via whole genome sequencing)

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @Woody79 wrote

    Why you'd want to catch it is you know in your heart it's less severe

    Yeah, that's exactly how science works.



  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We couldn't stop other variants with our covid theatre, telling people to eat their Christmas dinner in their bedrooms.

    Best just to get your vaccines and boosters and ignore politicians as best you can for your own wellbeing.

    The british politicians in fairness have just stopped talking about covid.

    Virus gonna virus.

    Luckily we've rode the waves and it is now likely benign like all other 4 coronaviruses. All other human coronaviruses probably did the same for a few years when they first moved to humans.



  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exactly over time successful viruses become more humanised and benign without killing host.

    Glad you agree sir.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I posted an article a few pages back which debunked that idea. You probably didn't read it because it wasn't a 47 minute YouTube video filmed by an OAP utilising an overhead camera and a bunch of pencil annotated printouts.



  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have your sources I have mine.

    I heard the theory from March 2020.

    Imagine being that negative to dismiss good news.

    Some people drool over covid bad news.

    The worse it is the juicer it is for them.

    😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased




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  • Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is probably the best news since this time last year re: vaccines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Spot on, while some restrictions were warranted until the vaccines/therapies came into play, there is no need any more for the vast majority to hide from Covid-19. The virus wins in the end, we can thank the medical community for their efforts in trying to hold back the tsunami during the earlier phases of this outbreak, but now the wave coming to shore is merely a surfers plaything with Omicron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    The practical problem with trying to isolate the vulnerable is that it doesn't work. It didn't work with "Wuhan" variant, it's not working with Delta and it sure as hell won't work with a more transmissible variant, if that's what we have.

    Our society is just too interconnected. Healthcare workers with families have kids in school, healthcare workers without families have social lives and housemates. Cleaning staff, security staff. Vulnerable people have needs and can't be cared for by robots.

    I suppose it's too much to ask that we could institute an actual mask policy rather than having at-risk people walking around with random bits of cloth and poorly fitting surgical masks hanging off their faces.

    Anyway, hopefully we can get enough boosters out to those who need/want them before this thing becomes dominant. It's not going to be a great look if we end up with hospitals overflowing because the HSE dithered with vaccines sat in fridges. At least last winter they had a lack of supply to blame.

    My positive spin is that if this thing proves as transmissible as feared, the lovers of natural immunity are finally going to get the protection they've been longing for. 😀



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    If we're looking for jumping the gun wild speculation before results are in shove a microphone in front of O'Neill. The same sequence he mentions present in omicron that might make it "like a cold" is also present HIV which is anything but like a cold.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    I'm still baffled why we dont encourage ffp2s - at least for the elderly. The latest study from Germany showed a massive reduction in risk if these are worn properly. Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and others have kept their numbers minuscule comparatively, with not many other mitigation factions beside air filtration (another key measure we dont bother with) and good quality masks worn properly and appropriately.

    In ireland the attitude is that any mask, worn anyway, will do. We treat it as more of a box ticking exercise instead of utilizing it as the valuable mitigation it could be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Agreed.

    He obviously means well but hes like an overexcited boards member sometimes. Something new and unsubstantiated comes out and he just cant help himself.

    His populist, positive spins can border on misinformation at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Mango321



    I think the reason why FFP2/3s for the public aren't mentioned here is that the HSE would then have to spend more on them for HCWs.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Huge numbers of elderly people living with children & grandchildren is for me the ultimate barrier to this approach. I'd always bring it up when people were calling for an 'isolate the vulnerable' strategy in the early stages of the pandemic and they would never have a practical solution.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Sounds something like the hse would do. Cutting of their nose to spite their face as usual.

    "The HSE has no plans to change the guidance on PPE “as it reflects current evidence”, according to a spokesperson."

    Id bet money this snippet originated from our favourite handwashing tsar Martin 'The Menace' Cormican.



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