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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    For now, which begs the question why not let the virus rip amongst the population while the elderly and vulnerable are ripe for protection following their 3rd shot. Are the powers that be actually waiting to see if the third shot wanes too???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Then level with the population and say that the vaccines they thought were great are actually... hmmm what's the term Nolan uses... ah yes... snake oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    They don't have to wait and see. They know it wanes, just look at Israel it's happening there already just months after widespread boosters. Now they are talking about a fourth dose. Its madness at this stage to keep thinking each subsequent vaccine will somehow do the job.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    I can't understand why the Gov are doing this, the hospital numbers are going down. If they started to go up again then bring in the restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Hospital numbers are more stable than coming down. We say what happened last Christmas, a lot of people behaved irresponsibly and the government does not want that, at least until this new variant gas been calibrated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Steveimitation


    35 years old here and single. I ended up in between jobs just prior to the pandemic kicking off and remain so. From the beginning I felt like the government were paying lip service and would have loads of time to get away with speeches and the likes before many people actually wised up to their spineless nature. This was just my gut feeling and so has proved to be the case. It's been a frustrating two years to say the least and it's had a drastic effect on my mental health. It's also made me incredibly cynical and jaded with life. Despite all this, I always felt (or maybe just hoped) that a certain point would come where a long term strategy would arrive and at least a sizeable degree of normality would return.

    Today is the first time though that I've really felt like my future does not lie in Ireland and I absolutely hate that the government have forced me into this position, particularly when they pick and choose when to "follow the science" and when not to do so. People in my age group/scenario are in no way more important than any other group but I do feel like we have been forgotten about more than most. Not old enough to get particularly sick (in most cases) but not young enough to feel like there's endless time to wait around for this ****-storm to end.

    Then you look at those three clowns in charge of this country who have long since proven that they aren't capable to lead in times of crisis. They don't have it in them. Leaders should be people possessing skills that can be utilised in the absolute worst of circumstances with the hope such situations may never arise. When you think of our so called leaders in these terms you realise just how pathetic and lacking they are. Today they basically said that this Winter is not quite as **** as last Winter and hopefully next year will be slightly less **** still. Talk about grim. The worst thing is they seem to have stopped any real optimistic talk of the future. It's all "the virus will have many twist and turns" etc and "each stage will be dealt with as it arrives". I don't mean to sound so depressing and ultimately I will be fine (whether I am in Ireland or not) but it's very disheartening. The Xmas restrictions are disheartening but nowhere near as disheartening as knowing that such a bunch of useless empty suits are in charge of this nation. Some people might agree with the restrictions and of course that is their right but I think that even a lot of them will feel that this lot will let them down in some capacity sooner or later, whether it be covid-related or otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,295 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I should preface my post by saying that I was in favour of removing restrictions months ago and haven't changed that view.

    That said, I'm surprised at the level of vehemence that this announcement had caused. This is how it was reported in The Guardian, which I coincidentally happened to read before anything here

    Ireland has reintroduced restrictions to combat the risk posed by the Omicron Covid variant.

    However the government stopped short of cancelling Christmas but has restricted interactions in private settings to four households.

    Nightclubs will be closed from next Tuesday until 9 January; strict social distancing will be required in bars and restaurants with mandatory table service and a maximum of six people allowable per table.

    The measures will return the country to limits which were in force until as recently as 22 October in a blow to the night time economy.

    Indoor and sporting venues will be limited to 50% capacity and sporting events must be fully seated and a Covid certificate evidence double vaccination will be required for access to hotels and gyms.

    In a televised announcement, taoiseach Micheál Martin said: “Our public health experts have been exceptionally clear in their advice to government. The risks associated with proceeding into the Christmas period without some restrictions…is just too high.”

    I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Has the government actually "restricted interactions in private settings to four households" or is it just advice?

    Regardless, as I see it these relatively light restrictions won't make any difference. People will do exactly what they did last Christmas, and work around the restrictions with multiple table bookings, private parties etc. The extension in scope of COVID passes won't make a difference either.

    What makes a difference to behaviour is people limiting contacts when case rates are very high, at the point when they start hearing about people they know being infected. And then Christmas comes and they forget all that.

    Rather selfishly, what I care about is that the schools are open after Christmas. Last year took a heavy toll, and I don't want a repeat.

    The thing I really don't get is why people are claiming to be shunning boosters as a reaction to this. If I take one it'll be to reduce the risk I pose to my last living parent and to reduce the amount of time I have to take off work (and useless to my family) if I get COVID. The exact same reasons I took the first two doses. Do other people not have these responsibilities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,072 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I will preface this by saying I don’t watch the news or the announcements.


    What is the rationale for bringing in these restrictions? Is it the uncertainty around omicron? Or trying to prevent a repeat of last year? Hospitals are stable enough


    I really do feel awful for those whose livelihoods are affected. I suppose it’s little comfort that there are more severe restrictions in place around Europe - I hope we will avoid those.


    Like lumen above I just hope the schools can stay open. Last year was hard. One of my boys who is disabled had almost nothing for nearly five months. I happened to be out of work at same time which was fortunate in retrospect. But it was hard.


    I’ll be five months post 2nd vaccine next week. My boys are about to turn five as well so hope we can get our Jabs soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    People are shunning boosters because the actions of the Govt suggest that it won’t make a blind bit of difference to the removal of restrictions and the return to normality in this country.

    We were sold the vision 12 months ago, that yes, 2020 was rough on everyone but we have these vaccines now and by rolling them out we can reclaim our lives back from the virus and start to live with it rather than have it consume every facet of our lives.

    And, for the vast majority of people, we all agreed. We turned up at vaccine clinics/gps/pharmacies when asked and took our two shots to help get the country back on its feet and thriving again.

    Only now it’s been shown that’s not the case at all. With 93% of eligible people fully vaccinated and 800,000 third doses already administered, not to mention falling ICU numbers and hospital admissions, we are back with more restrictions being levelled on us. We upheld our end of the social contract and got nothing in return.

    So when the Govt are asking fit and healthy people to come forward for a third dose (and it won’t stop at three judging by Israel), people are asking why? Why are we to be continually jabbed while there isn’t a scrap of long-term planning within Govt? People are rightly sceptical about the future and the “for real guys, this jab will be the one that unlocks everything again” isn’t flying anymore when we heard the same thing a year ago and nothing changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,137 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    So you do actually leave the house then? Or did you see that from peering through your curtins



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,072 ✭✭✭✭fits


    “So when the Govt are asking fit and healthy people to come forward for a third dose (and it won’t stop at three judging by Israel), people are asking why? Why are we to be continually jabbed while there isn’t a scrap of long-term planning within Govt?”


    To protect ourselves from a potentially nasty dose.? I don’t know about you but I have a full time job to be doing and significant caring responsibilities. I can’t be sick and if there’s a way of avoiding it I’ll take it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,048 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Hospitals being stable now is irrelevant. The winter spike really starts mid December and peaks in January so that’s what they are worried about. We (including NPHET) are only guessing about what will happen but we know it’s disaster every year, even without Covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    i took the vaccine to protect elderly relatives - but it turns out not to do that. They have had their boosters, it would probably make more sense medically for them to have my booster in 3 months time. I don’t want or need it, and I’m damn well not being forced into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I don't believe they're even analysing the numbers or double checking data themselves, they appear to be in awe of and only believe everything nphet tell them. I'd say people on here are more clued in to the numbers than many in cabinet. Its the only explanation I have for them standing over introducing more restrictions. I don't understand how there isn't more dissenting voices in politics, whatever about lack of backbenchers making noises, the opposition are useless and have given the government a free ride at every turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Reading through some of the posts and I see posts stating that people are shunning boosters.....I dont think that's true in general. The booster programme is going very well in terms of take up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    If you are old then boosters make sense. If you're under 50 the benefits are marginal at best. It won't stop you getting or spreading covid. So, no, its not same as getting the first two shots. I haven't seen anything to suggest it will reduce the time you have to take off work as any positive result still requires a crazy 10 days of isolation.

    The best way for your parent to reduce their risk is to take the booster.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I think it will be amonger the younger groups where the uptake will slow down. As I said myself yesterday, given that the amount of places that now require the vaccine cert, I'll ultimately probably have to take a booster but doesn't mean I'm not questioning its benefits to me as someone who is in their early 40s and healthy. But at the end of the day that's a wrong reason to be taking vaccines/medicines but what choice do we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Of course, because they’re still doing the age groups who actually need it. Under 50s may take a bit of coercing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,295 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @JRant wrote

    I haven't seen anything to suggest it will reduce the time you have to take off work as any positive result still requires a crazy 10 days of isolation.

    I work from home so don't need to stop at a positive result, only when I'm too sick to use a keyboard.

    The best way for your parent to reduce their risk is to take the booster.

    The best way for my parent's risk to get reduced is for us both to get the booster. It's amazing to me that anyone with the slightest interest in the subject could have such a poor understanding of transmission dynamics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,734 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It won't be the last time we see that prick giving a speech on the steps of government buildings before Christmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    A quick look around the Dail will tell you everything you need to know about the calibre of gombeen elected to office in this country.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭prunudo


    It must be the worst collection of both government and opposition in history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    That's your opinion and not backed by reality. The best way for my own parent to reduce their risk is take a booster. You taking one won't matter a single jot to her or me for that matter.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indo leading with ‘NPHET members must now ask government for permission to appear on TV and radio’. I don’t think it’s quite as strict as that but it’s a positive move.

    They also want to investigate the leak. Tony denies it was NPHET. Lol, pull the other one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's probably a fair representation of the general population though. We are going backwards at a rate of noughts in this country.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    They should be just told they aren't going to appear in front of the media or better again they should be disbanded.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The WHO are clearly wrong here. Nolan was able to model Omnishambles and its 30% more transmission and 5% more lethal. The WHO need to start following the science like we are here.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    I'm guessing it's a lot of bravado because some aren't happy with the very solid approach from our government yesterday. It's akin to a teenager throwing a strop running away for the night only to realise they've nowhere to sleep in the freezing cold and returning home at 10pm all sheepish.

    Thankfully we've a very smart compliant populace and the booster rollout will go very well indeed. 😊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭bloopy


    The WHO are far right and conspiracy theorists.

    Clearly the only way to beat this thing is to continue the twin policies of panic and tearing at the fabric of society.



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