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Was the Tiger really that great?

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  • 03-12-2021 7:06pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭


    I was in college during this peculiar time but I wonder was it all it's cracked up to be?

    Just like today there was a sizeable population of people trying to get on the property ladder and under huge pressure to try and buy any ould overpriced heap of sh1t so they wouldnt have to rent anymore. Then every bit of work that needed to be done to said heap of sh1te cost an arm and a leg and unless you did the work yourself it would be done in the shoddiest manner possible.

    Tradesmen did earn great money but most of them squandered it. The societal pressure to squander it must have been huge and only the toughest of refuseniks held onto their money or got out of the flipping/investing game before it was too late.

    People spent massive amounts on absolute tat, decorations/fittings for their house made in China that looked terribly tacky & fell apart after a few years sold at a huge mark up, Chinese plastic hot tubs almost none of which are still around today.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,927 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Everyone is still filling their houses with Chinese tat while at the same time blaming them for climate change, by the way!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    We all went mad. It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,596 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I will say this, it was a great time to be young(er), free and single.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    His record in the Majors speaks for itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    It was a fantastic piece of engineering, with speed and armour that outmatched anything it came up against, and the 88mm gun was a magnificent piece of ordnance in its own right, but the whole package was hugely over complicated and was very costly in time and materials to build. It was also difficult to maintain or repair in the field, due to the aforementioned complexity.

    Realistically, it could never have overcome the industrial might of the USA and the willingness of the Soviets to throw vast numbers of men into the fray.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,084 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    It's hard to know really.

    We are all 21 to 14 years older now than when we were during the Celtic Tiger era (which I am putting between 2000 and 2007).

    So for example I was young free and single, did a lot of traveling and going out during a period of that era.

    I now have a family.

    Are things better now for a family man than in 2003 ?

    Are things better now for a young man than in 2003 (COVID aside) ?

    I have no idea of how to figure that out.

    One thing for sure though it was much easier to get housing.

    We had no bother buying a house in 2004 and no bother selling and upgrading in 2007.

    Sure they were overpriced, and potentially poorly built, but they were plentiful, as was the finance.

    I'd hate to be trying to get a house now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    absolutely




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    People queued for an hour and more and then paid a door charge to get into many pubs and paid high prices for drink


    Yep, it became THAT ridiculous.


    People felt rich. They had a €400k mortgage but their house was "worth" €600,000.

    They thought that 200k was free money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Now you have to book online and show vaccine certs to go into a night club



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Yeah, the whole idea that borrowing money made your rich was way to prevalent.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    While you have to respect something that eats bears and crocs you have to wonder about why it needs the eye spots on it's ears to deter predators.



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭foozzybear61


    It was the possibility and positivity that made the country feel good , every week there appeared to be good news stories

    it was all built on sand ...but nothing seemed impossible ,

    mantra was let the good times roll



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Bertie was great and the people loved him. FF got 77,81,77 seats out of 165 in his three elections 1997, 2002 and 2007. The people did not love Brian or Micheál as much, Micheál got only 20 in 2011.



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    We were like that fat bird on the titanic, new money! 😂

    Loud and obnoxious, but still kind of likable at the same time. We retained some of our old world charm for a while in spite of the money.

    I prefer the tiger people, rather than the overly sensitive and delicate people of this era. We've become a bit soft and pretentious over the last couple of decades.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I'm glad to say that all through the Great Depressions, The Tiger, and the Snowflake eras, I have maintained a dignified demeanour. I am not represented by those accusations of obnoxiousness, or soft pretentiousness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,578 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Tommy Tiernan had a routine about how everyone went crazy spending money during the Celtic Tiger days, the good times, but what were people supposed to do? If they continued to save money and lead a relatively austere life, they wouldn't have been the "good times". They'd have been the "preparing-for-the-bad-times times".



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    Good times indeed, if you were a trademan, plenty money to be made



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes he was likely the best player ever, he won 14 of his majors in a 11 year period from age 22 to 33.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    I felt like a proper royal.. A king among Tigers if you will.

    That was until recession happen and Carol was baskin' in my downfall.

    What a betch.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭Motivator


    The Celtic Tiger was a mad time but it really was the best few years we’ll ever see in this country, at least in my time. It’s mad, the weather seemed to be always good in the summer, plenty of money to go around and everyone was working.

    People working in traditionally low skilled, low paid jobs were earning good money. Nothing was out of reach for people and the country as a whole was flying. Everywhere was busy - restaurants, pubs, nightclubs. People got to enjoy nice things and enjoy life in general. I know it all came tumbling down but to be honest if you asked people would they do it all over again I guarantee people would say yes. The things that people got to see or do back then are things they can’t even dream of doing ever again. I don’t mean because of COVID, I mean because the opportunities aren’t there anymore.

    I was in the company of a few lads in the pub about 5 or 6 years ago and one guy had made a fortune when he sold his company for about €40m in 2006. He retired and put all his money into shares and property almost straight away. Lost the whole lot over a couple of years. He’s back working now and someone asked would he do things different. He said no because when he sold out he made sure all the lads he had working for him were kept on and he bought a site each for 4 of the lads that were with him from the start and who made the company successful. If the Celtic Tiger hadn’t been around he wouldn’t have been able to do that and set those guys up for life with a house. The Tiger brought out the worst in people but it also brought out the best in people and that’s often forgotten too easily.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    We all partied



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Things are now worse, gen z faces climate change, high rents, housing crisis, during the celtic tiger people were optimistic, houses were being built, maybe not in the right places, it was easier to get a mortgage

    Now a ordinary house is 400k I don't think the average young person can buy a house unless they have financial help from their parents

    Also we have seen the rise of political extremism, Poland, Belarus, trump, I remember young people would actually go to America for work,

    Yes some people were greedy and materistic but look at Irelands future now it looks doubtful

    The government owes billions and theres alot of bullshit virtue signalling is everyone really going to switch over to electric cars

    There'll be no petrol cars 15 years really? it's like self driving cars it's always 5 years away

    I don't use Facebook but I hear its full of fake news conspiracy theory's and young people are closing down accounts the Obama years were at least hopeful and optimistic millenials look like the last normal lucky generation

    As the cliche go's you don't know what you have got til it's gone



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They should have built the houses in the right places. If you buy a house now in one of those wrong places, you can get two for €400,000.



  • Registered Users Posts: 49 In Actuality


    Terrible documentary. Hard time to be in college with the lockdown.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It was "great" for some people, others it just completely passed by.

    I was in my early thirties, in a full time but low paid junior public service job.

    I can't remember who it was that famously said "we all partied" during the tiger years, but it was definitely not true of everyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I remember the Tiger well. And we did party - well he did anyway. Came into my house. Ate all the food on the cooker, in the fridge, in the cupboards. Drank all the tea, my dad's beer, all the water in the taps for the bath. Then just headed off. We had to eat out that night, and ended up buying a load of expensive specialist tiger food that was never used.

    He was pretty great, though. As was his cousin Tony, who I never met. Tony was more humble by all accounts. Never said he was gr-r-reat! himself, but did often describe other things as such.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    I was earning decent money with decent rises every June in our pay review...

    i could afford two holidays year and probably a weekend away or two, plus Manchester for a match twice a season , Kilkenny for the roots festival , ran a decent car... I wasn’t popping champagne corks but it was nice... haven’t exactly fallen into a poverty pit far from it but opportunities were certainly more then, than now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    It was good for those involved in the property industry or related sectors. There was also benchmarking and pay increase for the public sector over the 2000 - 2007 period. It was not great as a tech worker at the time, actually working a programmer would not have been considered a good job around 2007. Rising house prices rising were breathlessly cheered on by the media, that would be the main difference really. Now it is not considered a good thing at all. It was certainly an interesting time, laughable looking back on it to be honest. It was like what you would expect to happen if children suddenly found a lot of money. The fact that some would consider a couple of holidays a year and trips to see manchester united as some sort of success says it all really.

    Donal Caulfield was an interesting character, he built a housing estate in Malahide that had leather bound brochures that cost 750 euros each.

    For me at least the best time was the crash. If you managed to stay in good employment and were good with money during the bubble, there were huge opportunities.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    I was very young at the time but I got the sense from my parents they thought it was never going to end and only go up from there. The crash hit them badly and brought everything back down to earth a bit. Would have been a great time to have been their age, early to mid thirties.



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