Discovery 4x01 - 'Kobayashi Maru ' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

Sorry, I don't buy into the fat-shaming nonsense. Being fat is something to be ashamed of (and I say that as someone overweight after lockdown myself). Yes, yes, we've all heard the glandular excuse. Problem is that it only applies to about 1% of those claiming it. Staying a healthy weight is very simple: eat an appropriate amount of calories for the amount you burn in your lifestyle.

She's a professional actor. She's literally in one of the few positions where one can be legitimately hired or fired for their appearance and she's in a position where being fat isn't appropriate for the role she's playing. Tilly is a young officer near the start of a career where she would be expected to be fighting fit, it's not like when Jimmy Doohan let himself go in his later years and you had Scotty as a fat old man nearing retirement.

And no, I wouldn't hold people in real life (or more ordinary professions) to the same standard as I would an actor unless of course they were in a job that required them to be fit: soldier, garda, firefighter or, you know, crew on a ship ;)

I'd also argue that being able to replicate any food you want would make being a healthy weight far easier as one of the most common reasons for being overweight is eating poorly due to convenience foods tending to be more calorific than ones that take some time and effort to prepare.

Being pregnant is not the same thing as being fat. As you've alluded to yourself: women still need to get pregnant in order to continue the human race in the 24th century.

Nope, not a believer in chivalry tbh, a firm believer in equality. Just not tolerant of internet nonsense.

As I said in my first post, I believe "fat-shaming" to be a nonsense term thrown about by those who want to claim their place in the spotlight of glorification of victimhood. Caroline Flack was no great loss: she was a violent misandrist who killed herself to avoid having to face the consequences of her own actions.

People have to tolerate reality as the price of living in it. Acting is a profession where appearance is, always has been and (unless we get to a point where motion capture is the norm rather than an expensive special effect) will continue to be a primary factor in one's chances of success. If you don't look the part, you don't get the role and to be frank, being expected to maintain a healthy weight is a pretty low bar for an actor when you consider the extremes that many have to go to (the size the guys have to build themselves up to for the Marvel movies, the weight loss the likes of Tom Hanks or Christian Bale have undergone for films etc.)

So... Star Trek then? 😅

Really wish they'd go back to the tried and tested character episodes, giving us a lot more about the others (Stamets, Detmer, Owosekun). S4 and I struggled to think of their names just now!

I'm sticking with it, although not sure if that's just some kind of unconscious self harming at this stage? Was worried they were writing Saru out as he's one of the only characters with any 'Star Trek' feel to him, development, culture, personality. Everyone else just feels like devices in place to drive a Burnham storyline.

Would love to see them write a completely changed Booker after the events of these episodes, would be great to explore someone completely breaking down and 'turning', not just 'fixed' after a quick hug and pep talk. A season long disintegration of his character's values and morals would be a fantastic watch, and a good mirror by which to judge the newly re-emerging Federation ideals.

You seem to have a super weird, and very warped sense of an actor's professional responsibility. It's like you think every role is leading man/woman and all actors should always be prepared for that. The reality is that the most important thing as an actor, is to be a good actor. To understand empathy and emotion, and be able to step outside of yourself, and into the required character. If you're good at that, you'll find your roles. Because for every leading man/woman in a production there are dozens or hundreds of other roles that don't require you to be the paragon of physical perfection. What the bejesus would productions do if a role called for an overweight dude, but all actors were svelt six-pack'ed adonis'? Film and TV to one extent or another reflect actual people, so actors obviously come in absolutely all shapes and sizes, which is exactly how it should be.

Now, you personally obviously think this actress is the wrong look for this character. Ok, fair enough, but that's got fck all to do with her. She went for the role of a quirky sidekick, and she got it. So your problem should be entirely with the producers/showrunners who clearly didn't consider physical shape to be anywhere near as important to the character and role as you do. I daresay they actually saw her build as a positive, reinforcing her 'awkward underdog everywoman' personality. Yup, from a technical standpoint, maybe you could expect a future-space-navy-cadet to be ripped, but it should be incredibly clear by now that that's just not what this show is. This is not hard-sci-fi. For better or worse, all the space stuff is clearly just a backdrop for the interpersonal stories and conflicts they want to tell.

Not sure you should be lecturing strangers on the internet about the dangers of bullying when you yourself resort to personal insults because someone disagrees with you. Kind of undercuts your argument.

You say she's naive to think it wouldn't hurt her career... but, how has it hurt her career exactly? Like, your statement only makes sense if she got fired from the show for it or something, but no, she's just gone about her business, and as has the show, with her weight seemingly having zero impact on her career at all.

Also, you really are over-egging how much her weight - in this moment - will impact her. As I said already, in terms of working actor jobs, there are only a small % of roles that require you to be this trim idealist version of a person... for everyone else, it doesn't really matter so much. Like, she should - and likely will - find a healthy balance to her weight, but it really isn't the career killer you seem to think it is. The first thing you'll see on every commercial job, and tv/film supporting role casting brief is something to the effect of "real relatable people", with the ' chiseled looks' reserved for those central couple of characters. If you have a talent for the actual job itself (acting) you'll be fine - especially once already as established as she is.