Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Your funny in fairness

I don't disagree at all on this as a discussion point. But it's a bit like saying that someone should have installed better anti-pest measures in a building while the place is absolutely crawling with them and the timber is about to collapse.

Is it possible that for countries with low take-up due to cultural or educational issues, that such issues could be reversed/overcome in the short term? Maybe if they use the carrot approach rather than the stick. But we know from the US, that some are so entrenched in their position that it would require an unreasonably large carrot to get them to take a vaccine.

So it's reasonable to suggest that we should be prepared for the eventuality that mandatory vaccination may be necessary to address the problem. That's the talking point. Hopefully the outcome of that discussion would place an onus on countries to try a load of other things first before resorting to a mandate as a final step. A framework of escalation to improve vaccination rates, that applies EU-wide, and applies a threshold that must be met before a member state is permitted to mandate vaccines - say less than 60% take up.

This is better than refusing to even entertain the idea and then the union being in complete disarray when it comes to figuring out the questions on human rights, certificates, travel, etc etc. As it is, I expect Austria and Greece's approaches will end up in the ECJ and take years to sort out. We could have these questions answered in advance to avoid vaccine mandates becoming a default tool.

But... Big Daddy Tony was on another solo run on the news last night suggesting that NPHET's gut feeling is that they expect the 'I am Lurr, Ruler of the planet Omicron Persei 8' variant to be more transmissible and more harmful than Delta.

Surely he wasn't talking complete and utter unsubstantiated sh!te on national news, and allowed to do so entirely unchallenged???

Spreading misinformation, in fact?

You've heard 8pm from who exactly ? The Liberal, WhatsApp, a friend who knows someone who's involved with the vintners ?

This I've heard stuff is tedious

Imagine if the mods on here cared enough that when people spout this level of bollocks they have to actually provide some sort of proof.

But you got a few likes on the internet, isn't that all that really matters.

It's not a choice though. Mandatory vaccines shouldn't even be considered an option. Whatever the opposite outcome of not doing it is, that's the default option, regardless of what it looks like.

How would you feel if we could eradicate 95% of domestic violence cases in Ireland by mandating a microdosing of psilocybin or MDMA every morning? Or completely eliminate road traffic accidents by banning private vehicles? They're both options. Why don't we start doing stuff like that? The alternatives if we don't are horrific! People will be beaten behind closed doors! Teenagers will be maimed and killed in car accidents!

I'm guessing the most prominent symptom was not even knowing they had it