Motor tax question

Viscount Aggro · 24-11-2021 5:13pm #1

I see a neighbour driving a VW Passat 2.0 TDI

Motor tax disc shows EUR 200 until 06/22

2012 model, and it seems a cheap way to drive.

Just wondering if this is accurate, because I want this sort of motor.

thanks

Allinall · 24-11-2021 5:17pm

That's the rate.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-passat/29729794

bazz26 · 24-11-2021 5:32pm

Why do you think OP it's not accurate?

That's the average rate of motor tax for your typical run of the mill family car these days and has been for a good few years. All you need now is the price of the car itself.

Viscount Aggro · 24-11-2021 5:44pm

Because he is a gangster. It surprises me the tax is so low.

beachhead · 24-11-2021 5:58pm

holy shiiit he's driving a cheap car.must be an amateur gangsta

Atlantic Dawn · 24-11-2021 6:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217101#Comment_118217101

Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid with 416bhp is only €170 a year, that's how to properly play the motor tax game.

bazz26 · 24-11-2021 6:15pm

Gangsters drive 10 year old Passats?

drogon. · 24-11-2021 6:19pm

I would say you can thank the Green Party for that.

They were the ones that sold the idea that "diesel was environmentally friendly" than petrol cars since it produced less carbon. Hence 80%+ cars from that period were all diesel!

Wishbone Ash · 24-11-2021 6:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217214#Comment_118217214

The General drove a Renault 5.

elperello · 24-11-2021 6:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217214#Comment_118217214

The smart ones do.

elperello · 24-11-2021 6:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058219541/motor-tax-question

You can look up tax rates here.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/41c9cc-motor-tax-rates/

Much safer than nosing around gangster's cars 🙂.

AndrewJRenko · 24-11-2021 8:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217225#Comment_118217225

Or you can thank all the car companies that lied about their emissions? The diesel issues weren't unique to Ireland or to the Green Party.

beachhead · 25-11-2021 12:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217350#Comment_118217350

He was towing a go cart that day

drogon. · 26-11-2021 7:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217881#Comment_118217881

Well it was the Green Party that brought forth the idea (if I recall correctly) to tax based on CO2 rather than the size of the engine, as was the case previously.

Petrol cars produced more CO2 than diesel, while diesel cars just produced other more harmful gasses like NOx. So yes car companies did lie about the level of NOx etc. being released, it would have made very little difference to how much you paid tax on them.

ofcork · 27-11-2021 8:04pm

I have a 2012 avensis diesel 2l same rate 200 for the year,thats why i couldnt find a petrol when i was buying!!

Gregor Samsa · 27-11-2021 11:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228343#Comment_118228343

It's actually a myth that the Green Party were responsible for the change. Not only were they not in Government when it was first announced, but they had never been in Government before up until that point. It would be like blaming SF for something the current government announced tomorrow.

The change to basing Motor Tax on emissions was actually announced in Budget 2007, which was delivered in 2006.

Here's the quote from Finance Minister Brian Cowan's (FF) speech at the time: (https://assets.gov.ie/194593/082b8141-377f-4d02-94e6-54b38f74c614.pdf)

At the same time, my colleague, the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government will consult on his proposals for a complementary rebalancing of annual motor tax. This would provide a further incentive through the motor tax system for the motoring public to drive cleaner cars and would impose some additional cost in respect of cars with higher carbon dioxide emission levels. This would apply to vehicles registered on or after 1 January 2008. Underpinning both of these initiatives will be a new mandatory labelling system for cars based on CO2 emission levels. Linking consumption taxes to environmental goals requires us to discuss the details of such moves thoroughly with stakeholders if we want to get it right.

The government at the time was made up of Fianna Fail, the Progressive Democrats and 5 independents. The Minister for the Environment mentioned above was Martin Cullen form Fianna Fail. The Green Party were in opposition, and did not contribute to the budget. As mentioned, they had not ever been in Government at all up until this point.

Here's an interesting article from October 2007. By this time the GP were in Government with FF and the PDs, but the Motor Tax reforms were delayed and were not due to be implemented in January 2008 as promised. In the article, Fine Gael's Phil Hogan is lambasting the Government at the time, especially The Green Party, for not introducing the changes.

"One would have assumed that the entry of the Green Party into Government would have expedited the introduction of this environmental reform but instead I find that the measure has been pushed off until the middle of next year."

He continued: "If the Greens have as much influence as they claim, it has to be asked how this important environmental measure has been allowed to slip onto the back burner. Actions speak louder than words."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/motor-tax-reform-to-be-delayed-1.813158

The truth is that all political parties in the Dail at the time supported the change to emissions based motor tax, not just the GP, and the GP were minority partners in Government when it was finally implemented, but it was FF and the PDs that actually introduced the idea.

28-11-2021 1:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118233777#Comment_118233777

Thanks Eamonn.

beachhead · 28-11-2021 5:13pm

Forget saving the environment.Its all about tax tax tax revenue revenue revenue.Next is a tax on battery sizes,etc

elperello · 28-11-2021 7:04pm

Actually under the 2008 CO2 rates the motor tax on some 2 litre diesels came down from €710 to €156 which was a big factor in enticing people to change.

User1998 · 28-11-2021 11:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118236474#Comment_118236474

Any examples of a diesel car with €156 tax? Particularly a 2008 one?

elperello · 28-11-2021 11:36pm

2010 Avensis

It was only for a couple of years, they went up twice when austerity came in, first €225 then €280 where they are now.

Atlantic Dawn · 28-11-2021 11:49pm

People were buying city cars with diesel engines rather than petrol to save circa €40 a year in motor tax despite them doing about 5k miles a year in conditions completely unsuited to a diesel.

30-11-2021 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237560#Comment_118237560

The 156 euro was the rate at the time, which as elperello has said has gone up since .

Afaik A 08 1.4 diesel corolla was originally taxed at 105 euro and is now 200 after increases.

Interestingly A few years on a 186bhp bmw 520ed and 168bhp audi a4 ultra also fall into this category

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