Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

I'm not sure though that it is just this regime. For my sins, I frequent vintage motorcycle forum's , mostly UK based. And the casual conversation there, when it occasionally covers politics, is very very pro Brexit. I have had difficulties getting parts posted because of the new customs rules and again, I am been told it is the 'bloody Europeans' being anti British and just trying to punish them for leaving.

I can see at least 20 years before there is any serious attempt by UK to re-join. And I imagine it will only happen after the UK have again entered the CU for a few years.

And then of course, will they be welcomed?

I think, ultimately they will be allowed back in but it will not be a welcome with open arms and I can see the French in particular being slow to come round to the idea of a UK within the EU again. As Strazdas says, At the moment the UK are burning their bridges as fast as they can.

Those German car makers will be along any moment now to demand it, I'm sure. When they actually have surplus cars to sell and if the UK any money left by then to buy them.

Actually wish I hadn't made that joke now as I could see the car shortage being used as a reason for why the car makers haven't been their saviour!

Well, pre-Brexit, the UK returned 249 or so migrants. Since they're out of the EU and "Dublin 3," the number returned is...5

But, they're taking back control. Hilarious.

I see Priti Patel and the UK have been un invited from the conference on migration that France had scheduled.

France has said they have un invited her due to the inappropriate response of BJ's open letter requesting the French accept the return of thise who manage to cross, amongst other things, some 5 point plan BJ came up with.

With all the fishermen losing their livelihoods in the UK, I would think they could be creatively used to rescue migrants in dinghies. Bring them to a processing center, then off to the UK if appropriate to work as HGV drivers (only need a bit of training these days), fruit pickers or butchers in meat packing plants. I'm sure the migrants would love the work opportunity. Plus this would help stem the net outbound migration issue the UK has now!

See? Brexit for the win, creating all these job opportunities and using surplus capacity (fishing vessels). I'd expect fishing vessel fuel usage to be net carbon neutral versus flocks of dinghies with brutally inefficient outboard motors. The outboards could be confiscated for spare parts, reducing another import issue (Brexit again for the win!)

Rees-Mogg was wrong; an obvious Brexit benefit right away, not 50 years from now!

Yes, I'm reading there is a huge amount of anger in France that Johnson quoted large parts of a private conversation with Macron and also that he took to Twitter at all (especially as there was a lot of implied criticism of France and its actions in the text).

This business of aiming everything they do and say at Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph readers is beyond bizarre. It's almost as if they view the Channel situation as some sort of PR event that needs to be 'spun' and propagandised.

I find it quite amusing that the UK now has control of its borders yet is looking for a unified approach when problems appear. If it were still a part of the EU, I imagine things would run a lot smoother in terms of making agreements and sticking to them.

Of course, their behaviour since 2016 has made any chances of an agreement less likely and not being a member of the club means there's less motivation to keep them happy.

FWIW, using 27 dead people as a political football is quite disgusting.

Hard to know what the UK is playing at. We have all been using the 'driving off a cliff' analogy for years (5 years and counting). Also Coveneys famous comments about 'do what I want or I'll jump'.

At this point they have already burned all their bridges and yet they still won't let up, even as they now turn around and want to renegotiate the NIP with the EU (while threatening Ireland), or want to work with France on refugees/ immigration, while disparaging them and mmaking unfair and unrealistic demands. In both scenarios they are offering absolutely nothing.

The new German government have agreed as part of their coaliton deal that they are committed to the NIP, and back sanctions if it is broken in any way.

The Dutch, who used to back the UK in many EU disputes, have also lost their patience with this behaviour.

The US have continually warned that they will not accept the protocol being brought down, and will not sign a trade deal if the UK make that happen.

If you look at it, relations are just about as low as they can get with virtually all 'traditional allies' in Ireland, France, Germany, the US, the Netherlands etc. etc. Or, in other words, all their neighbours who they really do rely on in a globalised world.

From an outside perspective, seems they are determined to completely isolate themselves and turn everyone against them. Not only are they the sick man of Europe, but they have lost all logic, reason and are now abusive, like a patient suffering from dementia.

Too late for that though. Their international reputation has been shredded.

It's just that that they are trying to make 'deals' and 'negotiate' with all those they have upset, as they continue to insult them, and cause trouble.

You understand that replying you're opening the door to a rehash of all the usual Brexiter tropes?

It was obviously only ever placation to Loyalists in NI as it was of zero benefit to the English Brexiter heartlands to fund a massive project linking one nation whose denizens are optional EU citizens to a Scotland that could well be realigned with the EU/EEA in the coming years.

Manning a 500Km with nearly 300 crossing points in Ireland is of equally little interest to English Brexiters.

Edit to add they already postponed checks on EU imports three times already and I won't be surprised if the next deadline in January gets postponed too.

Settlement visas.

BTW, where did I say it was no longer attractive?

I said it would be less attractive.

Back to Brexit itself and Frost is still threatening to trigger Article 16 :

https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1464271847797764101

The channel tunnel was linking London to Paris and HS2 upgrading London links to the other 2/3 biggest cities in England.

A very different prospect to the building and long term upkeep involved in linking Belfast to Scotland which has no real world benefits

I’m secretly hoping that Macron has Castex and Darmanain steal his thunder and rip up the Le Touquet agreement first.