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  • #2
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Thread has everything. Hearly-Raes, Kinzen, Tom, Dick. Even Harry.



  • #3
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    I was more pissed off with mobile phone networks providing customers locations to the government during the lockdowns from home.



  • #4
    funkyzeit100
    Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭funkyzeit100


    Irony aware, the sooner people turn their backs on this online nonsense, the better off the world will be.


    And then the hordes of overpaid, do-littles in the tech industry will realise that 99% of what they actually do is just selling ad's like whorish used car salesmen, all as the emperor's new clothes are torn aside to reveal a mickey the size of a pinhead. With the same resultant withdrawal of disgust of the capital markets as a woman that was intent on having a good time.


    It'll never be soon enough to see the back of them.

    Post edited by Ten of Swords on


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    "Kinzen's CEO is a former RTE journalist". Makes perfect sense.



  • #6
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Read article... So they gathered info on disinformation on covid which there was an abundance of. This allowed for the more paranoid **** to be addressed by the likes of NPHET. I wouldn't say the messaging was always effective but keeping an awareness of conspiracy theorists, antivaxxers etc is a necessity at this stage.


    I would also say they learnt somewhat from how there was an abundance of disinformation around the likes of the HPV vaccine resulting in initial low uptake. This was as a result of weak messaging and conspiracy theories.


    And despite the Healy Rae's beliefs, it's not remotely censorship. It's simply keeping an awareness of bs that spreads faster than ever now.


    Also by my reading, they literally explored social media, boards or whatever else and developed a profile. So I imagine they were here but that doesn't require any specialist access to achieve.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224311#Comment_118224311

    As you post online... And dear God at the language you're using...



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  • #7
    HalloweenJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    So the Government is monitoring Covid disinformation and the HRs claim its a breach of freedom of speech?

    There's no denying them their right to express their opinions but people should be held responsible for it, especially if they are elected representatives. That's what seems to be their problem with the whole thing.



  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Covid disinformation is pretty close to shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre* - it is a potential risk to public health - so why wouldn't they monitor it? It's not like having diff opinions on the welfare state, housing, or which chocolate biscuit goes best with a mug of oxtail soup.

    *Remember those?



  • #9
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If only we were living in Russia all these people spreading misinformation about covid and public health would be removed from the internet and packed off somewhere quiet cold .

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  • #10
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225856#Comment_118225856

    If only the same could be said for the 100"s if not 1000"s of hacking enterprises based in Russia who appear to operate both freely and indeed with shameless encouragement of the Russian state, unless of course a company dares critise Putin or the Russian state.

    Fascinating BBC report during the week on how these Hacking enterprises operate out of Russia with absolute no fear from the State, no Siberian Gulag for these enterprising individuals I'm afraid.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #11
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    I think this is a wonderful idea and I, for one, welcome our new Tech Overlords. /s



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  • #12
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,503 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058219808/kinzen-ltd-boards-ie

    An interesting link you make to Boards here. I would have thought this was the type of site they would target. All the information is there in the public domain. Boards clearly cannot control what someone else does after scanning site content. Why do you suggest some kind of collusion would be necessary?



  • #13
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,210 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Old news. Sure the so-called "Steele dossier" was merely a collation of my posts on here



  • #14
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225856#Comment_118225856

    Yeah and the Russian Government pays them to promote Trump, Orban, Brexit and anything else to destabilise Western Governments and the EU.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #15
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224747#Comment_118224747

    you make it sound so reasonable.

    but this is the state spying on citizens and ultimately (one example) we had a senator (Senator Gerard Craughwell) flagged by this crowd and reported to the social media overlords - then his speech flagged - for a factual comments he made in parliament .

    That is very worrying - flagging awkward questions or dissent as disinformation is poor form but flagging speech from our parliament is plain wrong and very worrying about the state of free speech in Ireland.

    if you don't see the problem , then that's on you.



  • #16
    Alina Creamy Rehabilitation
    Posts: 0 ✭ Alina Creamy Rehabilitation


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225304#Comment_118225304

    Thing people forget about free speech, it simply means you can’t be prosecuted for speaking out against the government (try call Putin names like you would Leo or Martin see how that ends)

    none of what happened here breaches free speech.



  • #17
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    the very same Healy-Rea's who roared at the government about closing pubs and insisting that the publican's were a responsible bunch who would ensure everyone's safety if they were allowed open - except the reality was a free for all in Danny's place.

    Anything that was done to address dangerous mis-information was well spent considering the net result was a 90+% uptake in the vaccine. Meaning that the government's message was stronger than that of the grifters and online agitators



  • #18
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238341#Comment_118238341

    It's people making comments on public forums and is very much so relevant to public health atm. Care to point to what Craughwell said? If somebody says something factually incorrect in the Dail, that doesn't make it by default true.


    Once again, no limits on freedom of speech exist as a result of this. It's just you being annoyed that bs is getting called out.



  • #19
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224747#Comment_118224747

    I have scanned through some of the information requested data. A lot of it is not about missinformation. It's more about people who disagree with restrictions. Basically being critical of government, whether it be in Ireland or abroad



  • #20
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238747#Comment_118238747


    regardless of what is said , if the state (and civil service) are paying an agency to flag speech made in parliament that is wrong every day of the year.

    Let the government wheel out at TD to refute things -

    as for misinformation - Kinzen , the HSE nor the state have the monopoly on decided who is right or wrong.

    It's quite worrying that people would think that's ok

    Many people in ireland have over the years shed light on things that were unpopular esp with the powers that be. Now we have a precedent that the government can use taxpayers money to flag inconvenient truths as "mis informartion" essentially lies.

    He was saying he had no choice but to take AZ vaccine and was worried as he had a history of heart issues and if you recall at the time the old folk were afraid of the AZ causing clots as it was reported as being a factor to consider.

    All a reasonable speech yet upset some - some with money and access to blacken his name.

    gript did an good in-depth analysis of it all - Senator is in there somewhere.

    https://gript.ie/exclusive-the-hse-has-gone-far-beyond-reporting-misinformation/




  • #21
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239113#Comment_118239113

    gript 😪



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  • #22
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238341#Comment_118238341

    "Spying"...... do you understand what the word means? They were monitoring open public discussions specifically disinformation and propaganda on a public health issue. You dont want people to see what your opinion on something is then don't post it on a public forum or social media platform.

    TBH your paranoia is unsurprising as it seems your a gript reader



  • #23
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224311#Comment_118224311

    Your understanding of the tech industry in Ireland is bad and you should feel bad.



  • #24
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239236#Comment_118239236

    says a lot about you tbh - pretty lame and predictable

    I didn't see other media do that type of analysis on the topic but you keep reading your preferred media and never venture beyond those confines.



  • #25
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239725#Comment_118239725

    the senator made his comment in the chamber . One of our houses of parliament.

    It wasn't josey and his talking dog ranting on facebook, there is a marked difference.

    If you can't see that , then you are blind.

    A gript reader? why yes I do read it , is that some kind of slur? you probably need to try harder cos if that is the best you can do , it's pretty moronic of a dig



  • #26
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243380#Comment_118243380

    Gript is an alt-right dog whistling rag of a site which you well know but im guessing you feel better about yourself and your opinions when you read it so again im unsurprised by your paranoia.

    Can you please point out where anyone was "spying" as you claimed?



  • #27
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243372#Comment_118243372

    What does it say about me? ‘Preferred media’ what does that mean?

    Is Gript your ‘preferred media’ ? If so - why ? Is it that the echo chamber has a better sound when reading it. Gript’s target market isn’t me anyway … maybe you are in their target market .. and if so .. it’s your choice and freedom to read whatever you want … but don’t expect others to have the same opinion as yourself.



  • #28
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243372#Comment_118243372

    please be careful of what yo take from that media source... you seem somewhat reasonable at the moment



  • #29
    Mad Benny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Mad Benny


    This is a quote from Danny in the article the OP posted. Is Danny Healy-Rae the best leader Kerry has to offer?

    “I never thought the Government would resort to seeing what people are saying,” he said



  • #30
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The Healy -Raes giving out about the mis-spending of public funds.......there's a headline I never thought I'd see.



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  • #31
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243861#Comment_118243861


    No echo chamber for me , I read them all tbh from the highbrow to the tabloids

    i like any media that does analysis and asks questions of the government and other agencies. Gript does that. the others in Ireland sadly rarely do anymore.

    to dismiss a publication because you don't like John McGuirk et al...is a stupid on your part and a tiresome argument to hear. I see this a lot any report that is raised is dismiss not cos it's untrue but cos people (like you) don't like the source which is narrowminded imo

    if you can refute anything in the article , please do


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243885#Comment_118243885


    You might not like their politics and nobody is demanding you do - but unless the articles are lies then its a fair source.

    Anyway I'm not here to defend gript - i'm here to express dismay at the state agencies and their behaviour here. The thing did happen and it was very undemocratic to flag dissent . Some people think that is ok , i don't - esp given speech in our parliament was flagged

    they (not you but whippet etc..) have no rebuttal so choose to attack the source - an ad hominem I guess. says a lot about them and their narrow view.



  • #32
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244520#Comment_118244520

    eh .... I have stated quite clearly I have absolutely no problem with the government seeking out disinformation and sources of disinformation when the public health was at risk. As for Gript - I've read some of their stuff and they are by no means an unbiased independent media source. They play to their audience and as I am not their audience I will choose to ignore them.

    I don't have a narrow view whatsoever ... but I do have a wife with over 2 decades of working in the pharmaceutical industry as a scientist .. and when it comes to most of the nonsense we have had to endure from all sides in the last two years - thankfully I have her as a reference point to get to the actual facts.

    Do I trust government .. no .. I think they have made a shambles of our reaction to the pandemic .. and are continuing to do so .. their communications has been deplorable. However - I do feel that the monitoring of disinformation is important when there needs to be a clear message.

    you can't have biased journalists and 'activists' dictating the narrative of a global pandemic .... but unfortunately this is world we live in.

    As for McGuirk ... lets just say ... due to his political and social leanings / views I have no intention of adding to the click count of his content



  • #33
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244787#Comment_118244787


    you finally figured out that media have their bias. wonderful insight ..the same argument against gript could be used against every single irish media outlet.

    It strikes me as odd that you claim (rightly imo) about the shamble of the last 2 years but slag off the only media in Ireland that really questioned things instead of the cheerleading - rah rah rah - in this together #holdfirm #staysafe and the resulting avalanche of fear . It's plain odd to me.

    I am mid way politically on gript - some I agree and some I don't - but they write good articles and decent analysis on topic. JmcG (who I never met) seems a decent fella - sure he holds unpopular views with many on boards but hardly a reason to hate him but yet they do in spade. weird people.



  • #34
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225391#Comment_118225391

    who defines what disinformation is? the people in power so you are proposing for everybody to swallow the state or official argument.

    considering so much of what was decided on in the past was wrong - were the nay-sayers not right or even partially right? But they were labelled misinformation anyway?

    you are saying that naysayers are wrong by default which is a bizarre view of the world. Dissent is important even if it is wrong.

    Lets go back to Senator Craughwell - noting he said in his speech was incorrect it was all in the news at the time , yet Kinzen and the HSE labelled it misinformation and the video was repeatedly flagged as this. from our own parliament fFs.

    What more concerning about this now , for me , is not what they did but that so many people think that's ok in a democracy ?

    I sincerely hope some of you are on a wind up.



  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    What a non-story lol



  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244520#Comment_118244520

    its a fair source.

    Gript & "fair source" 😂



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  • #37
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245021#Comment_118245021

    Gript are not the only media outlet having a go at the government, NPFET etc .... if anything just about every media outlet has been having a right pop at them for the last 12 months.

    But I leave you be with your opinion.



  • #38
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245153#Comment_118245153

    are you saying the article is wrong or just jumped in for the LOLz with asinine drivel....i just cant decide.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245405#Comment_118245405

    every Irish media cheered the measures - I haven't forgetten the last 22 months or so - the deification of Tony Holohan plastered all over , they never questioned NPHET or the government. sure there was occasional mild rebuke on minor issues but never a strong counter from RTE, the indo or irish times wasn't up to scratch at all on that.

    RTE had Dr Feely who was driven out of the HSE on once , that was it. They had a woman on too and it sticks with me cos Claire Byrne behaved shamefully pre-empting the interview with a trigger warning.

     Newstalk give Luke O'Neill a free run despite him being an utter lunatic - you want misinformation he is it - remember his advice for Christmas dinner last year. mad man .

    FFS ...how is that in anyway objective or not biased? If you agree with that then the news isn't free comment it's indoctrination and controlled.

    anyway lets agree to disagree on media - cos you aren't for turning and neither am I. I just like consuming analysis from all sources and making my own mind up - i guess other like consuming what is put on front of them and what is palatable . Thats the Ireland I've come to know in the past 22months in a nutshell...



  • #39
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118246080#Comment_118246080

    just about everything you have posted there is pure selective memory.

    there has been plenty of criticism of government, the CMO, health ministers, NFET etc on all media channels .... but you've made your mind up so I'll leave you to your echo chamber



  • #40
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118246142#Comment_118246142

    sure thing , says the man who discounts reports that come from media he doesn't like :)

    you've lost the plot



  • #41
    whippet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭whippet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118246352#Comment_118246352

    yep ... I've lost the plot !!! and of course you don't believe the media you don't like!! I suppose we are like two peas in a pod .... love you bro'



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  • #42
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245021#Comment_118245021

    No. Other media outlets mostly do not have extremist hate agendas agendas against minority groups. You cant really compare Gript to other Mainstream media which is mostly quite centrist and factual as opposed to Gript which has a far right hate fuelled agenda.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #43
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    People losing their sh*t over this non-story is laughable

    Big companies do this sort of thing all the time - how is our latest offer/promotion/new product going down, etc? What are people saying about us on social media?

    Nothing at all wrong with that, these are public posts after all. Personally I think people are mad to link their real name to whatever waffle they post on social media, but it's their choice.

    As for "Kinzen having flagged some video of a senator" that's just complete rubbish. If Facebook or Youtube (and I've no time for either of them, what they do and what they enable) flag a video as misinformation that's their decision, just because something is said in our parliament doesn't make it true...

    Scrap the cap!



  • #44
    The Quintessence Model
    Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Quintessence Model


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118247834#Comment_118247834

    'Far-right hate fuelled agenda'. Mother of Jesus talk about hyperbole.



  • #45
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244037#Comment_118244037

    Anything not spent in Kerry is mis-spent.



  • #46
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It's literally a data information request the source comes from the state. Lads losing their knickers because they don't like the people who requested and reported the information request 😂



  • #47
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118236094#Comment_118236094

    Biggest supporter of the far right throughout Europe and the Balkans too ,the same far right they claimed were killing russians in Ukraine pre invasion and occupation of Ukraine

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  • #48
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

    ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four

    Putin and his acolytes literally rewrite both the present and the past to suit themselves. And he has many willing acolytes on boards and every other western social medium...

    Scrap the cap!



  • #49
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad



    The Department of Health has told Gript it has lost all records of contracts it signed with the social media monitoring firm Kinzen in 2020 & 2021. The Department has also lost all record of the negotiations that led to the signing of those contracts.

    The Department also lost all records of conversations they had with Kinzen leading up to the end of the Department's relationship with Kinzen in October, shortly after Gript reported on the HSE's misinformation program.

    Is the cyber attack in May to which they claim was the reason records were deleted in the third quatre of 2021 going to be the go to excuse?

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    Why am I not surprised .....



  • #50
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,292 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    When did the definition of spying get changed to browsing public and openly available posts? I just checked Leos twitter account am I James Bond now?



  • #51
    foxsake
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭foxsake


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328457#Comment_118328457

    paying a 3rd party to gather up social media posts the state doesn't like...if anything it's a waste of tax.

    that same government dept then uses this info to petition the social media companies to remove/flag posts the state apparatus doesn't like.

    if mr belarus or putin did it , the same people (you) would be making a song and dance over it.

    But it's ok when you approve isn't it :)



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