Kinzen Ltd & boards.ie

HerrKapitan · 26-11-2021 12:23am #1

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/its-like-something-putin-would-do-healy-raes-anger-at-covid-19-monitoring-41086750.html

I would like to know if boards was included in the information search by this company.

I'm surprised by the surprise shown by Haely Rae here. I would have thought every Tom Dick and Harry would have thought it normal practise.

I will assume that if the thread is closed that Kinzen did indeed use boards for info gathering.

endacl · 26-11-2021 12:27am

Thread has everything. Hearly-Raes, Kinzen, Tom, Dick. Even Harry.

Atlantic Dawn · 26-11-2021 12:27am

I was more pissed off with mobile phone networks providing customers locations to the government during the lockdowns from home.

funkyzeit100 · 26-11-2021 12:41am

Irony aware, the sooner people turn their backs on this online nonsense, the better off the world will be.

And then the hordes of overpaid, do-littles in the tech industry will realise that 99% of what they actually do is just selling ad's like whorish used car salesmen, all as the emperor's new clothes are torn aside to reveal a mickey the size of a pinhead. With the same resultant withdrawal of disgust of the capital markets as a woman that was intent on having a good time.

It'll never be soon enough to see the back of them.

26-11-2021 1:52am

"Kinzen's CEO is a former RTE journalist". Makes perfect sense.

26-11-2021 8:59am

Read article... So they gathered info on disinformation on covid which there was an abundance of. This allowed for the more paranoid **** to be addressed by the likes of NPHET. I wouldn't say the messaging was always effective but keeping an awareness of conspiracy theorists, antivaxxers etc is a necessity at this stage.

I would also say they learnt somewhat from how there was an abundance of disinformation around the likes of the HPV vaccine resulting in initial low uptake. This was as a result of weak messaging and conspiracy theories.

And despite the Healy Rae's beliefs, it's not remotely censorship. It's simply keeping an awareness of bs that spreads faster than ever now.

Also by my reading, they literally explored social media, boards or whatever else and developed a profile. So I imagine they were here but that doesn't require any specialist access to achieve.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224311#Comment_118224311

As you post online... And dear God at the language you're using...

HalloweenJack · 26-11-2021 11:11am

So the Government is monitoring Covid disinformation and the HRs claim its a breach of freedom of speech?

There's no denying them their right to express their opinions but people should be held responsible for it, especially if they are elected representatives. That's what seems to be their problem with the whole thing.

26-11-2021 11:27am

Covid disinformation is pretty close to shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre* - it is a potential risk to public health - so why wouldn't they monitor it? It's not like having diff opinions on the welfare state, housing, or which chocolate biscuit goes best with a mug of oxtail soup.

*Remember those?

Gatling · 26-11-2021 12:49pm

If only we were living in Russia all these people spreading misinformation about covid and public health would be removed from the internet and packed off somewhere quiet cold .

Dempo1 · 28-11-2021 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225856#Comment_118225856

If only the same could be said for the 100"s if not 1000"s of hacking enterprises based in Russia who appear to operate both freely and indeed with shameless encouragement of the Russian state, unless of course a company dares critise Putin or the Russian state.

Fascinating BBC report during the week on how these Hacking enterprises operate out of Russia with absolute no fear from the State, no Siberian Gulag for these enterprising individuals I'm afraid.

Manach · 28-11-2021 11:12am

I think this is a wonderful idea and I, for one, welcome our new Tech Overlords. /s

Beasty · 28-11-2021 12:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058219808/kinzen-ltd-boards-ie

An interesting link you make to Boards here. I would have thought this was the type of site they would target. All the information is there in the public domain. Boards clearly cannot control what someone else does after scanning site content. Why do you suggest some kind of collusion would be necessary?

Donald Trump · 28-11-2021 12:43pm

Old news. Sure the so-called "Steele dossier" was merely a collation of my posts on here

Annasopra · 28-11-2021 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225856#Comment_118225856

Yeah and the Russian Government pays them to promote Trump, Orban, Brexit and anything else to destabilise Western Governments and the EU.

foxsake · 29-11-2021 10:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224747#Comment_118224747

you make it sound so reasonable.

but this is the state spying on citizens and ultimately (one example) we had a senator (Senator Gerard Craughwell) flagged by this crowd and reported to the social media overlords - then his speech flagged - for a factual comments he made in parliament .

That is very worrying - flagging awkward questions or dissent as disinformation is poor form but flagging speech from our parliament is plain wrong and very worrying about the state of free speech in Ireland.

if you don't see the problem , then that's on you.

29-11-2021 10:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225304#Comment_118225304

Thing people forget about free speech, it simply means you can’t be prosecuted for speaking out against the government (try call Putin names like you would Leo or Martin see how that ends)

none of what happened here breaches free speech.

whippet · 29-11-2021 10:40am

the very same Healy-Rea's who roared at the government about closing pubs and insisting that the publican's were a responsible bunch who would ensure everyone's safety if they were allowed open - except the reality was a free for all in Danny's place.

Anything that was done to address dangerous mis-information was well spent considering the net result was a 90+% uptake in the vaccine. Meaning that the government's message was stronger than that of the grifters and online agitators

29-11-2021 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238341#Comment_118238341

It's people making comments on public forums and is very much so relevant to public health atm. Care to point to what Craughwell said? If somebody says something factually incorrect in the Dail, that doesn't make it by default true.

Once again, no limits on freedom of speech exist as a result of this. It's just you being annoyed that bs is getting called out.

Richard Hillman · 29-11-2021 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224747#Comment_118224747

I have scanned through some of the information requested data. A lot of it is not about missinformation. It's more about people who disagree with restrictions. Basically being critical of government, whether it be in Ireland or abroad

foxsake · 29-11-2021 12:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238747#Comment_118238747

regardless of what is said , if the state (and civil service) are paying an agency to flag speech made in parliament that is wrong every day of the year.

Let the government wheel out at TD to refute things -

as for misinformation - Kinzen , the HSE nor the state have the monopoly on decided who is right or wrong.

It's quite worrying that people would think that's ok

Many people in ireland have over the years shed light on things that were unpopular esp with the powers that be. Now we have a precedent that the government can use taxpayers money to flag inconvenient truths as "mis informartion" essentially lies.

He was saying he had no choice but to take AZ vaccine and was worried as he had a history of heart issues and if you recall at the time the old folk were afraid of the AZ causing clots as it was reported as being a factor to consider.

All a reasonable speech yet upset some - some with money and access to blacken his name.

gript did an good in-depth analysis of it all - Senator is in there somewhere.

https://gript.ie/exclusive-the-hse-has-gone-far-beyond-reporting-misinformation/

whippet · 29-11-2021 1:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239113#Comment_118239113

gript 😪

VinLieger · 29-11-2021 2:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238341#Comment_118238341

"Spying"...... do you understand what the word means? They were monitoring open public discussions specifically disinformation and propaganda on a public health issue. You dont want people to see what your opinion on something is then don't post it on a public forum or social media platform.

TBH your paranoia is unsurprising as it seems your a gript reader

GreeBo · 29-11-2021 4:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224311#Comment_118224311

Your understanding of the tech industry in Ireland is bad and you should feel bad.

foxsake · 30-11-2021 9:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239236#Comment_118239236

says a lot about you tbh - pretty lame and predictable

I didn't see other media do that type of analysis on the topic but you keep reading your preferred media and never venture beyond those confines.

foxsake · 30-11-2021 9:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239725#Comment_118239725

the senator made his comment in the chamber . One of our houses of parliament.

It wasn't josey and his talking dog ranting on facebook, there is a marked difference.

If you can't see that , then you are blind.

A gript reader? why yes I do read it , is that some kind of slur? you probably need to try harder cos if that is the best you can do , it's pretty moronic of a dig

VinLieger · 30-11-2021 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243380#Comment_118243380

Gript is an alt-right dog whistling rag of a site which you well know but im guessing you feel better about yourself and your opinions when you read it so again im unsurprised by your paranoia.

Can you please point out where anyone was "spying" as you claimed?

whippet · 30-11-2021 11:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243372#Comment_118243372

What does it say about me? ‘Preferred media’ what does that mean?

Is Gript your ‘preferred media’ ? If so - why ? Is it that the echo chamber has a better sound when reading it. Gript’s target market isn’t me anyway … maybe you are in their target market .. and if so .. it’s your choice and freedom to read whatever you want … but don’t expect others to have the same opinion as yourself.

melekalikimaka · 30-11-2021 11:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243372#Comment_118243372

please be careful of what yo take from that media source... you seem somewhat reasonable at the moment

Mad Benny · 30-11-2021 11:44am

This is a quote from Danny in the article the OP posted. Is Danny Healy-Rae the best leader Kerry has to offer?

“I never thought the Government would resort to seeing what people are saying,” he said

30-11-2021 12:00pm

The Healy -Raes giving out about the mis-spending of public funds.......there's a headline I never thought I'd see.

foxsake · 30-11-2021 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243861#Comment_118243861

No echo chamber for me , I read them all tbh from the highbrow to the tabloids

i like any media that does analysis and asks questions of the government and other agencies. Gript does that. the others in Ireland sadly rarely do anymore.

to dismiss a publication because you don't like John McGuirk et al...is a stupid on your part and a tiresome argument to hear. I see this a lot any report that is raised is dismiss not cos it's untrue but cos people (like you) don't like the source which is narrowminded imo

if you can refute anything in the article , please do

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243885#Comment_118243885

You might not like their politics and nobody is demanding you do - but unless the articles are lies then its a fair source.

Anyway I'm not here to defend gript - i'm here to express dismay at the state agencies and their behaviour here. The thing did happen and it was very undemocratic to flag dissent . Some people think that is ok , i don't - esp given speech in our parliament was flagged

they (not you but whippet etc..) have no rebuttal so choose to attack the source - an ad hominem I guess. says a lot about them and their narrow view.

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