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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,496 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The original option won't fly locally and the Councillors simply won't impose it. Whatever happens, it wont be that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    We'll see I guess. It got overwhelming support in public consultation, and now has gone through this scored process in consultation with the businesses. They're running out of justification to actually stop it I would suggest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,614 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    whatever about the details, I'm glad to see them settling on 2-way cyclelanes as the preferred design; I personally think they're preferable for several reasons, but mainly as they're more pleasant to cycle on.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,620 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The problem with them is that until a total network is complete you can end up doing a lot of irritating road crossing to enter and leave them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭p15574


    They are, but the only problem is when you're on the other side of a busy road to them. They are also good in being wide enough for emergency vehicles to bypass traffic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭ARX


    I'm pretty sure I saw a Garda car with lights and sirens passing stationary traffic on the Blackrock bypass in Dublin using the cycle lane (between the two shopping centres).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Months ago I drew attention to the forever ongoing works at Grange Road Rathfarnham, apparently to provide fro better cycling facilities. Well, the works are still going on, with lots of people on site, controlling traffic, digging holes but very little sign of anything near completion, after 7 months of "work".

    To-day I managed to get a photo of where that have widened the footpath and narrowed the space for cyclists. Th overall width of the road is less than before, and they will probably paint very wide cycle lanes with space of cars and buses which will be less than the width of the vehicles.

    The level of waste and incompetence is simply staggering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Sorry for the mis-oriented pic. Even sideways it's obvious what a **itshow this is.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    looks like they've provided ample lorry parking though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭ARX


    This country would sh1t its pants if parking laws were enforced.

    Shane Ross once came banging on my door after dark looking for my vote. When I started on the non-enforcement of parking laws he nearly fell over himself trying to get away. He got Stepaside Garda station reopened and yet there are cars and lorries illegally parked on the footpath a stone's throw from the station. Same in Dundrum where there are cars parked on the footpath across the road from the Garda station. I'm sure the Gardai are great at keeping a lid on gangland murders but they're useless for traffic enforcement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    I live right at that pinch point on Grange road. I don't know, first hand the cause of the delays. One of the local shopkeepers said they they hit some pipes but I'm not sure I believe it.

    I'm struggling to see how the changes are going to make more room for cyclists on that road. I guess it's partly to stop the "just dropping the kids off" double parking that happens every morning outside the school.

    Here's the original proposal and all the gory details . I couldn't find the big picture in all details http://www.sdublincoco.ie/Media/Item/34044



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Economics101


    This is misleading: the 2,100 cyclists should be compared with (a) the number of people in the 1,400 cars plus (b) the number of buses and the number of people in them (probably quite large) plus (c) the number of delivery vehicles.

    Anyhow the geniuses in Grange Road don't seem to follow any sort of logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭p15574


    I think it'd be safe to say that the 1,400 cars contain less than 1,450 people, if even that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    The average occupancy of a car in Dublin city centre is about 1.25, so the route would still be carrying more people by bike than car. But buses carry most people into the city centre(*), so I'd be surprised if buses didn't tip the balance firmly in favour of motorised travel.


    But then again, if you look at it from the point of view of sustainable travel, private motor vehicles would look even worse.


    (*) EDIT: I mean, buses are the most important single transport category for carrying people into the city centre. Or were before covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Private cars are fundamentally a very inefficient use of space, both in motion, and more particularly at rest. And there's no way to get around this, unless you have a lot of cheap space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I don't think it's at all misleading - the stat was cars v bikes, not all motorised transport v bike. Not one of those 5 lanes is a dedicated bus lane at that intersection.

    I was on a bus down Lesson Street yesterday evening - it took the guts of 15 minutes (valuable and rare) drinking time to get to the Green. It wasn't bikes or buses causing the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, if there is any broader grouping used in analyses, it would be more usual to group public transport in with walking and cycling, rather than group public transport with private motor vehicles. Because of the space issue mostly, though climate change issues favour the former grouping as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,614 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Don't forget the passengers in the cargo bikes too so, and the people getting backers! 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    The Word Matters (*) podcast dealt with fewer vs less a while ago. They said that it seemed to originate with Robert Baker in the late 1700s. He expressed a preference for "fewer" when dealing with countable things (a preference rather than a rule) and over time it hardened into a rule.


    They also said that there are a few cases that should be clear cut "fewer" scenarios (some cases like "less than ten dollars" are explained by saying it's equivalent to "less than the sum of ten dollars"), but most people use "less", such as "an essay of x words or less".


    EDIT: I originally wrote "Words Matter podcast", but that's a different podcast.

    Post edited by tomasrojo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭cletus


    I had never heard of that podcast, but I am now subscribed. Thank you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,834 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Certainly the vans from Heatco are regularly blocking footpaths and cycle lanes at that location



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,912 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I edited the post, as I originally wrote "Words Matter podcast", but that's a different podcast; it's "Word Matters" from NPR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Sometimes councils give the space away for free, SDCC has ran a "trail" for 30 mins free parking in Rathfarnham "village" (I use that term lightly) since 2016. Obviously if motorists need more time they can just go to the ticket machine again and get another free 30 mins hence the system is abused. Its turned the village into a glorified car storage facility when in fact it could be a far more charming place to spend time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Economics101


    If they get rid of the 30-minute "free" concession, then how much business would be lost to nearby shopping centres with free parking? Rathfarnham village could become a real desert. Why cannot anyone enforce rules properly, including rules about a limited free parking time? A few clampers would work wonders.

    Oh, I forgot, we should cycle to Rathfarnham to save the planet. Does that include the over-75s on a wet winter's day?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Oh, I forgot, we should cycle to Rathfarnham to save the planet. Does that include the over-75s on a wet winter's day? Plus it was cold and wet today but still they went by.

    Working from home, I see a lot of elderly people cycle past the front of my house and I live on a hill. Now I know many elderly people simply cannot or will not cycle but don't imply as if they all have an inability to cycle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,338 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    My Dad cycles around at 72, I plan on doing the same in my 70s. Should we not be encouraging this? Why do you even post in here?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Economics101


    How dare you question my right to post here? I also cycle in my 70s, but there are loads of people who can't. And I wish you luck on a wet and windy December day.

    I'm fed up with intolerant and self-righteous cyclists. (Nothing wrong with tolerant cyclists, otherwise I wouldn't have complained about the anti-cyclist carry-on on Grange Road)



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