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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #24152
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210310#Comment_118210310

    A restriction is something that the individual is prevented from doing. Of course you know that a cancelled event is not the same thing, but that doesn't suit your agenda. People in Gibraltar are free to have Christmas events. They are not restricted from doing so.

    By your logic, anything that the Government doesn't provide for free means you are "restricted" from doing it.



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    #24153
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210361#Comment_118210361

    So the HSE scaling back operations is not a restriction because its just the government not providing healthcare?

    Sure you can always have operations in a private hospital, ergo its not a restriction? Pure mental gymnastics from yourself.

    Gibraltar govt were organising these events, and the only reason they have been restricted is due to covid - of course its a covid restriction, they didnt cancel them due to budgetary concerns. They literally admitted that they are no longer going ahead due to covid. That is a restriction.



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    #24154
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210375#Comment_118210375

    "Mental gymnastics", from the guy who thinks a free public event being cancelled is an assault on civil liberties.



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    #24155
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,110 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210375#Comment_118210375

    Are you equating hospital capacity issues with a christmas party being cancelled? Gibraltar still have a lot of unvaxxed in their hospitals (and some vaxxed) same as anywhere else. "Cancelled Christmas" is of course a tabloid headline, but they're still having social gatherings and Christmas as normal but being asked to reduce social contacts and the Government there is trying to set an example (our own politicians should take a leaf out of their book). But the cancelled headline is false, but "Christmas party cancelled" probably isn't as evocative and isn't as clickbaity for those looking for headlines.

    Gibraltar seems to be doing very well, cases have been going up, but no deaths since mid-October, a sign of what a high vax rate can do. They also have a lot of cross border traffic with Spain which won't be as highly vaxxed (still good tho).



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    #24156
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,030 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Very interesting. I did not know that - the full side effects in 2026. Have you more info on that and why isn't it publicised?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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    #24157
    [Deleted User]
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    Are Christmas parties cancelled? Ours is on the 17/12,. I'm hopeful by then that we will be able to celebrate adhering to current guidelines. If we're not then what's the point anymore.



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    #24158
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,971 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210510#Comment_118210510

    A lot of companies are cancelling theirs, but there's nothing stopping them.



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    #24159
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118209983#Comment_118209983

    As you know because it's been discussed ad nauseum, this Pfizer trial (singular) for 5-11 year olds was not powered to detect rare side effects such as myocarditis.

    Based on the sample size there is a 95% confidence level that the true rate would be between 0 and 0.1%. People such as yourself take this as a guarantee there will be issues in children with the vaccine, whereas what it actually is is not a guarantee that there wont be issues. The 5-11 study confirmed there we no trends observed in this group inconsistent with conclusions from older groups. Expert knowledge knows that in general Myocarditis associated with immune response is at its highest risk among young males in the range of 16-30. They therefore correctly concluded that the risk profile will not be higher in younger children. In truth it will probably be much lower when real world data is analysed.

    * Incidence of progression from sars-cov-2 infection to COVID-19 for children, into the future, and how rates of myocarditis from COVID-19 will compare to rates of myocarditis arising from total vaccination across the population

    Incidence rates of Myocarditis in young males are associated with novel immune response to SARS-CoV-2 infection and not disease.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780548

    * Why myocarditis is affecting young males more frequently

    Because it always does when triggered by immune response - probably hormone related

    * Most importantly, why myocarditis is even arising from mRNA injections into a muscle. Mechanisms are only hypothesised for this.

    Myocarditis is most commonly caused by an inflammatory immune response, not the trigger itself - it occurs with AZ and J&J vaccines also at a lower level, and at a higher level with covid, and influenza, and the common cold and bacterial infection and parasites and fungal infections. In fact it would be more unusual if the vaccines caused no cases at all in the more at risk age groups.

    Most importantly

    Most cases of myocarditis are self-resolving

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/myocarditis

    Talking about heart issues relating to a vaccine and children causes fear. The actual resulting impacts are low however. Myocarditis is very rarely life limiting or altering. Sounds scary though



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    #24160
    The Silver Branch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭The Silver Branch


    ICU up 4 to 130



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    #24161
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    To be fair the whole debate over what is or isnt a restriction is kinda missing the point.

    The rhetoric being put out there is by Leo, Tony et all is that we would be back to normal only for those pesky 7% or so who arent vaccinated so when you see another country with 99% vaccinated not getting totally back to normal, people kinda raise their eyebrows and go, oh!

    Its a fair question, sure its far more subtle and complicated than being that simple, but unfortunately the narrative is being framed that simply by the powers that be.



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    #24162
    CutieD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭CutieD


    Yesterdays case numbers were appalling, yet again. I think they are only going to go up. The NHPETs modelling for December doesn't seem to be too far stretched. I know many here hate NHPET and public health but still they are controlling public health in this pandemic.

    The media gave a hint of snap lockdown for the first 2 weeks of December. I don't know if there's any truth in that.

    If you're someone who doesn't follow basic public health measures as laid out in public health guidelines to mitigate the virus, I don't think you have any business complaining about a lockdown if we are sent into a lockdown.



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    #24163
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118209216#Comment_118209216

    That's great. Thanks for sharing.



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    #24164
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210098#Comment_118210098

    Unlike @floorpie, who at least attempts a rational explanation for tier views even if their selective referencing is somewhat questionable, some people just descend into the "certain posters blah blah blah" line when their views are challenged.



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    #24165
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,141 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210510#Comment_118210510

    The official advice is work from home unless it is necessary to attend work

    I don't imagine any company could risk holding a Christmas party and be publicly shamed by the usual suspects

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/q-a-clubs-christmas-parties-and-playdates-what-do-the-new-covid-restrictions-allow-1.4731198


    There was no specific guidance or new regulations around office Christmas parties. However, Taoiseach Micheál Martin described recent decisions he had seen by large companies to cancel upcoming parties as “sensible”.


    Similarly, chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said cancelling office parties, or other social plans and get-togethers over the next number of weeks, would be “responsible decisions”. People had a responsibility to reduce their social contacts, he said.

    So it's another case of "We never told you not to" while telling us not to



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    #24166
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210704#Comment_118210704

    It seems the media here is the Liberal, a site whose very short articles are an ad for their Facebook page! NPHET have indicated they will not offer any major changes to advice nor are any politicians planning changes and December starts on Wednesday of next week. Do you really think they will shut things down at the start of the big Christmas shopping rush?



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    #24167
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210510#Comment_118210510

    Our company had the Xmas party weekend before last and out of the 38 people that went (i didn't risk it nor did a handful of my co-workers) 9 are now out of work with the virus and 3 more are waiting on test results today. Out of that 9 four are very sick and the rest have next to no symptoms. Company is paying for everyone to be tested privately again tomorrow. We had to bring in agency staff to keep some of the trucks on the road in our busiest time of the year so not ideal by any stretch given the lack of haulage drivers available it's costing them a fortune i'd imagine.

    Next board meeting will be exciting for management as they okayed it 😀



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    #24168
    cheezums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Seems to me like the only people salivating at the thought of a lockdown are the anti restriction crowd so they can be outraged at something again.



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    #24169
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210766#Comment_118210766

    How do you know they caught it at the party?



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    #24170
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210700#Comment_118210700

    130 cases in ICU out of 4.6milion people. At least 93% fully vaccinated.

    Lockdown would be the most pathetic act in our history.



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    #24171
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210773#Comment_118210773

    Would you call the likes of Claire Byrne and Pat Kenny ant restriction?



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    #24172
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210791#Comment_118210791

    They work for two companies with an outdated business model. Lockdown is the one time they might make a profit.



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    #24173
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210664#Comment_118210664

    overall hosp just down too?

    small changes but could be worse



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    #24174
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210221#Comment_118210221

    Those who choose not to get vaccinated cannot be saved.

    All restrictions do is kick their deaths down the road a few weeks.


    Unvaccinated people are 32 times more likely to die from coronavirus than those who have been doubled-jabbed, according to the figures from the Office for National Statistics.



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    #24175
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210834#Comment_118210834

    All restrictions do is kick their deaths down the road a few weeks.

    Bit extreme no?

    The majority who are not vaccinated at the moment are the under 12s. COVID is not going to kill a load of kids.


    Edit: Fell for it 😅



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    #24176
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,291 ✭✭✭growleaves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210834#Comment_118210834

    So all unvaccinated people should put their affairs in order and make their peace with God?



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    #24177
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210903#Comment_118210903

    Which god?



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    #24178
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,291 ✭✭✭growleaves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210916#Comment_118210916

    Whichever god(s) you prefer.



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    #24179
    floorpie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭floorpie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210834#Comment_118210834

    How deadly do you think COVID-19 is 😅



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    #24180
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210955#Comment_118210955

    I know how deadly it is.

    Im just pointing out the fact that its mainly unvaccinated people in the UK who die.

    If the UK didn't open up many of them would still be alive. Im just saying lockdown forever to save them isn't really an option.



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    #24181
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118210903#Comment_118210903

    I couldn't care less what they do.

    Just don't lockdown the country to stop their deaths. Let them do their own thing.



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