How important is a man's job when it comes to dating?

Not sure why you are trying to make it so complicated. People use plenty of things as preliminary filters. It just so happens that a man's job tends to be a common filter. You can say what you like about it not making much difference compared to etc etc etc. but that is because you applied that filter so early on that you forgot about it. The low earner has already been filtered out of the population you are considering

A fella could come on and say that a women's looks aren't really that important and I take X/Y/Z into account as well. But being honest, when he talks about that, he's not thinking of the 20-stone lady. He just doesn't consider her to begin with. He's only considering between the ones who he gets on well with and are middling attractive and the ones that are a bit more objectively attractive but who he might not get on with as much.

I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a good friend of mine years ago. She was adamant that girls don't really care about physical or material things. Job isn't that important. Looks aren't that important. Height isn't that important etc. She was fairly prolific on dating apps and websites at the time and I asked her whether she had any filters set for any of those things when searching for matches. She went quiet and admitted that she had her settings for fellas 6 foot and above only............... 😀

The height pill never ceases to humble me. It is earth shattering in its visceral impact. There is no escape. Truly depressing. I notice it becomes more important as women get older too, looks don't matter as much but height and frame remain constant. Miserable being beneath 6 foot in this day and age.

The point of the tracks is that you'd be hard pressed to find a male singer at any point singing a song about 'no romance without finance' 'i dont want no female scrub'.

What you will find are lots of songs by males about how they get money. Not so many by women singing about how they get money.

(1 or 2 exceptions I can think of, but overall the trend is 'I dont accept poor men' from female artists and 'Hey I just so happen to have lots of money' by male artists)

This a window into the minds of not just the artists, but the population itself. As often these tracks have done well in the charts.

A quick look at Mills and Boon titles will confirm womens fantasy ideals, the billionaire (as with 50 shades), the neurosurgeon, the CEO. Not a single amazon driver or tesco team supervisor in there.

Consistent with what the scientists say, consistent with what the popular music says, consistent with what the cliche says, consistent with the mythbusters episode. A mans attractiveness to women is increased by wealth and job title.

This is hardwired into the general female population. Like playboy girls for men. Its just nature.

I'm under 5ft 9 (and always include that fact somewhere on my profile, for the purpose of weeding out anyone who does care about something so trivial) and it's never stopped me from getting plenty of matches. I learned a long time ago (shortly after I realised that I wasn't going to get any taller) that it's not worth getting hung up over something that you can't fix. If a short-arse isn't having any luck at all on Tinder or Bumble, I'd say their diminutive stature is the least of their worries. You have to have (and attempt to show) a half-decent personality too.

I have never swiped right on anyone without reading their "About me" section first, and finding something that makes me want to speak to them. And people do read it. Pretty much every first message I ever received was in relation to something I said on my profile.

You’re not a woman, so you don’t know what you’re talking about. When it comes to “dating”, Irish men are just as materialistic as Irish women are, you can take it from me as a non-Irish woman. I’ve been in this country for 20 years, and have no career, merely a free-lancing profession, with a general insecurity of income that gigging brings. Sex is something else. Anyone can have sex with a tasty thing of their choosing, but people here seem to be looking for security of income in a potential partner for a long term relationship, man or woman. That has been my experience and observation with Irish men. Which makes sense in a nation where the most prized lifestyle has long been having a mortgage on a suburban house, car(s), the expense of kids, all their paraphernalia, nice stuff for the house, nice clothes, restaurants, travel. It’s all expensive stuff, getting more expensive by the year, and people need a second income to be comfortable. So again, from my experience, this hyperMcDonaldsgammy red-pilled stuff has an application to both sexes in this country. I’m not complaining either. I’m just tired of forever reading and reareading this myth that being materialistic is something inherent in woman’s nature, and the poor over-worked men are merely downtrodden innocent lovestruck not-in-the-least-bit-materialistic beasts of burden for the gold-digging minxes they marry. What I’ve seen and experienced is that the more a woman can earn, the more she is valued as a potential partner by Irish men. And vice versa. Being pragmatic, materialistic, mercenary, is something that no sex has a monopoly on, it’s merely the fact that historically women have by far and wide been the more disposessed (of property, jobs, votes…) sex and have therefore had to make their living by marrying or coupling up in much greater numbers than men have ever had to. So, out of disregard for historical circumstance, and women’s generally lowly position in societies gone by across all different areas and eras, this stupid misogynist myth arises, of course. In a truly equal society, (which seems to be a pipedream at the moment, as the whole paradigm of business processes and how we /don’t/ reward or individually remunerate the most basic but most important work such as caregiving, instead docking value points off the more caregiving sex for doing a child related run from the office, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon) you would see the propensity for, ahem, pragmatic relationship choices equally distributed among men and women alike. Which is already happening in Ireland, so - go Ireland in equality stakes!

They probably are once the woman goes over the hill and turns 35 alright 😋

Ya gotta cut your cloth to suit your measure

I think in general most women will be put off if a guy has no ambition and is staying in a low enough paid job any career minded woman will not be interested as in fairness you have to have a bit of money to do what would be considered normal things like nights out a holiday or at least not having to save up money for weeks to do something .Lack of ambition is a huge factor in general lots of things spring from that .