Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

I would pay PPV money to see Vincent Browne get Tony,Nolan & Martin on and just rip them to pieces for an hour straight. It would literally be the best kind of car crash tv.

If you watched Micheal Martins announcement on RTE earlier this week you may have noticed something.

At 6.01, the voiceover did not say "And now, an announcement from our Taoiseach Michael Martin".

No, at 6.01, the voiceover said (paraphrasing) "As we face rising case numbers and worrying levels of hospitalisations, we now hear from Michael Martin regarding the worsening covid emergency".

Can anybody spot the difference? RTE did not just give Martin a platform, they framed the discussion and prepped the audience, they set the tone and as such he was able to skip past any justification and go straight to the decrees.

That is FOX news style commentary and it sums up exactly how in thrall RTE are to the NPHET government, and anybody who thinks this is ok is an idiot quite frankly.

Rte are loving this, just like they have been all along. Claire Byrne creaming herself at the thought of another lockdown, practically begging for it and that’s before you even factor in their barefaced incorrect poll results. There’s a simple solution for this - stop paying a tv licence and stop funding this grotesque government propaganda wing. They won’t get another cent from me.

Sorry missed this.

Loosely; put them on a certain level of lockdown. Things like;

• Restricting their access to shops; click & collect or delivery only. Many people asked why can't old people be forced to get their shopping delivered? Why can't unvaccinated people be forced to get deliveries?
• Restricting access to public transport. Hard one to work out, but if you can't get onto public transport without a vaccine/recovery cert, then maybe your workplace should be obliged to facilitate WFH, or otherwise make arrangements.
• As I mentioned before, it might be possible to move the children of unvaccinated people to remote learning until the New Year.

The overall goal here is to limit the opportunities for unvaccinated people to become infected, and therefore reduce the ICU burden. I'm not without a sense of caution here, I know how draconian it sounds. But pandemics don't give a fvck about our principles. "Our hospital system collapsed and loads of people died from preventable illness, but it's all OK because we refused to yield and temporarily restrict the small number of people who chose to not do the right thing". Not sure the history books will make "sacrificing us all for the personal choices of some" sound quite as valiant as we think it is. Equally likely it would be seen as political cowardice and selfishness.

There is of course a limit to what is effective. Unvaccinated people likely exist in personal bubbles, surrounded by similarly like-minded individuals. So the biggest cause of spread probably is, and will remain, them intermixing. Whether any restrictions on the unvaccinated will work, we don't know. Austria has started it, so they're the one to watch.

How many of the unvaccinated have had the virus in the last 6 months ?

Probably a lot. They have natural immunity.

So in the space of a few days when posters like yourself ridiculed others making comparisons to the segregation in the 1930’s Germany, you’re out calling for a lockdown on the ‘unvaccinated’. If you’re actually serious about saving the hospitals, you’d restrict the movements of the over 55’s. This is where the issue is. But that’s outrageous right?

At this point I couldn't care less who dies from it and that's being honest. Deaths have to be accepted, people die every day and if it's from Covid then so be it. We can't save everyone and nor should we try to - we will never return to normal if we don't accept this very basic fact.

Tony used 200,000 and up to 400,000 figures based on Nolan's magical modelling

which hasn't factored in expansion of booster campaign and of course now restrictions have changed as well

Really really dislike oral hegarty! She’s making out that we are all thick on a daily basis. I notice that anyone to replies to her all agree with her stance all others who disagree are blocked!! Sensitive tool!! Doesn’t like debate as well. Conor riocht is being attacked by her and Andrew flood for calling out the modelling for cases in December! They really really are shillicky bastards!!

Yeah heres an article in regards to hospitals getting over run and collapsing.

Oh sorry that was 2017 and no one including you gave a flying ...... because, well...it wasnt COVID!

When was that report again saying we needed to drastically increase ICU capacity etc etc, oh yeah 2009!

That statistic has changed quite a bit then from what they were reporting a month and a half ago when it was 60:40 unvaccinated:vaccinated.

I would say that before deciding what the "unvaccinated" cannot do, the first step should be to very clearly delineate who the "unvaccinated" actually are?

Does that cohort include people with one J+J jab? Two jabs but not Leo's third? Three jabs but not the inevitable fourth? What about those who had covid previously, are those antibodies not the right kind of antibodies?

If going to use it for discrimination then we need to be very clear on what "unvaccinated" means, to have a definition that is agreed and set in stone, because people are already spotting and getting annoyed by those shifting goalposts.

I just don't think there is anyway that can be policed . It's Ireland we are talking about. The gardai don't even respond to 999 calls

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1248577/