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EV owners without a home charger

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    An old EV wont work with incidental charging. But a Tesla (like Unkel has) would absolutely. Especially if you live in Dublin and dont do much mileage.

    That Tesla can charge at 22kW on AC. Go park at a lidl for 2 hours and you've added 200km of range. When I lived in Dublin that would do me for a week. There's at least 4-5 hours dead time in everyones week. be that for shopping, going for coffee, meeting friends etc. if you combine that with (free where possible!) AC charging it's absolutely possible to not impinge your life at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,613 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Who said €50k? My last full EV I bought cost me just over €2k and is cheaper in total cost of ownership than any old petrol or diesel banger someone gives you for free. The "us normal working people can't afford an EV" is a total load of bollocks


    But yeah, I'm normally saying don't buy an EV as your only car in Ireland if you neither have home nor work charging. But for some people (see above) the money saving alone is so huge that they don't mind having to publicly charge



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    1000km for €70 petrol. It’s not fast :)


    my wife’s 520d wouldn’t even get that!

    my last fast car would be lucky to do 130km for €50!

    what car is it?



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Megane Diesel Coupe could do that but it couldn't be described as fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I call BS on his 1000km for €70 petrol claim. €70 petrol at the current €1.70/l price and rising every day, would be 41 liters. Or 4.1l/100km ((282.481/(4.1 L/100 km) = 68.898 Imperial mpg in old money))

    You're not doing that without a battery and/or a plug (maybe a super efficient diesel could just about manage it on a single trip but not over a series of trips



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    If you even take it as being a diesel, and assume they have AA for 4c off per litre, then you are still needing to get 4.4 l/100km (64 mpg).

    The BMW 320d Coupe (E92) has an official extra urban consumption of 4.4 l/100km (this test is done over 4.3 miles at an average of 39mph), but real world it's expected to use 50% above its test figure. I wouldn't consider it to be a particularly fast car that would get a lot of positive comments or looks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    Had a Tesla M3 for just over 1.5 years and just came up on 29000 km this week.

    Have underground parking but no charging available, could get it installed but don't really need it.

    Basically whenever I go somewhere like the Gym, Shopping, Work, whatever else I'll plug it in and get whatever charge I can recover with a limit of 80%, rarely do a full charge on a station.

    Haven't really been at the office though since Covid, should do that more as there is free charging there I guess ;)

    Did 2 week trip ending last week from Dusseldorf - Kolobrzeg - Gizycko - Warsaw - Katowice (Poland) - Zvolen (Slovakia) - Budapest (Hungary - Brno - Jihlava (Czech Rebublic) - Nueremburg - Dusseldorf (Germany)

    Between the trip and stays I racked up around 3400 kilometers.

    Have a 25 meter 16AMP Extension lead I keep in the boot and that does my for a long overnight charge, just to get to a DC Loader.

    In short I wouldn't say there is any problem with not having home charging as long as you incorporate charging into your normal daily routine, even if you only load 5 or 10kWh here and there you just need to load more than the kilometers you drive.

    TBH having underground heating parking is better than having overground parking with a charger as you don't need to worry about preheating the battery when its really cold weather and much more efficient than trying to heat up a stone cold battery before you set off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭HBC08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭HBC08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    So, underpowered and slow, and yet still wouldnt get the needed <4.4l for your "€70 per 1000km" claim. Thanks for clarifying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,987 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    That's not fast!! Most basic EV's are faster than that to 60 and would monster you in a foot down from 40mph!!

    Nice looking car though I will give you that.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My supermini EV can out-accelerate that RCZ but I nearly bought one of them about 6 or 7 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I fill the 55 litre tank and its gets about a 1000km

    Very economical,not sure what you don't understand here?

    Post edited by HBC08 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Lads,at no point did i say it was faster than a EV over the first bit! Seriouly read the posts!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Not all apartments and houses are suitable for charger installation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,613 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Indeed. Did I mention otherwise? I was replying to a poster who was wondering should he go ahead and buy a charge point. So his home obviously was suitable for a charge point installation.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    And not all posters read previous posts.

    the reply was to another poster that is eligible for a charge point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    If you fill the 55 litre tank and it gets you 1000km, thats 5.5l/100km and perfectly believable. However you said 70€ per 1000km and that's not true.55 litres is likely to be near 90+ quid these days unless you're running the green



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    Please can we move on from the investigation into what type of car they own ... it's a diesel RCZ and while under the right circumstances - like the WLTP range of an EV - the mileage might be in the ballpark of what was shared, typically it would not. Either way, with the rising prices at the pump the price to fill the car will definitely get higher.

    It would be of benefit to the conversation in this thread and focus the discussion on the experiences and questions around the practicalities of living with an EV in one of the many housing situations in Ireland where a home charger is not feasible - apartment block, terraced house, on-street parking, etc.

    For me, this is an interesting topic, as I am awaiting delivery of an ID3 in the new year and don't have a home charger - I do have a work charger and plenty of public chargers in the neighbourhood. However, Learning from the lived experience of others and the questions that others have, that I might not have thought of, is defnitely helping me and hopefully others to be prepared.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    20kwh over 10 hours at night from a standard wall socket is more than enough for most who chose to do without a wall charger. I have the 220v cable but rarely use it. If you have night rate electricity then so much the better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    For charging at home - I've an assigned parking space directly in front of the door to my home, but a public path between. I've seen some neighbours charging PHEVs with the little black and yellow ramp over their granny charger cable where it crosses the path. I'm not sure the proper ettiquette (or legal / insurance cover) for that situation.

    It could probably work for a few hours top-up to add an extra few KMs, but I'd doubt if overnight would be a goer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,613 ✭✭✭✭unkel



    Ramp is a bad idea, someone will trip and sue, we have discussed this many times.

    In your case if you own the car parking space, you can get a charge point installed at your space and wired back to your house under ground. You will need to jump through a few hoops and it won't be cheap. This forum's moderator liamog has done just that a good few years ago. He has posted on this forum about it many times. I know search is problematic on the new boards.ie site, so if you can't find it and you have a serious interest in implementing this, I suggest you PM him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭innrain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    Thanks @unkel and @innrain - very useful to know and I couldn't find that sort of thing with the new boards search.

    I'll reach out to them to see details of who and how for such a pedestal install. I just thought that I was goosed for home charging options. I know it'll probably end up more expensive up front for that sort of deployment, but the value will definitely come in the long run.

    Thanks again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    Saw this recently, looks like a decent solution for homes with a footpath between the house and the car.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,319 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Until some twit decides to do chin-ups on it! :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,613 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Ah Jaysus. Was just going to post I could see very little that could go wrong with that setup 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I only see one problem with the setup and that's that it's not an EV being charged.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,613 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    In fairness the whole point about a PHEV is that you charge it at home / at work all the time. It's a bit like having a first gen Nissan Leaf back 10 years ago. Obviously with the drawbacks of having to schlepp around a dirty heavy combustion engine, drive train and fuel tank as well as the electrics and battery.



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