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14-11-2021 7:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165802#Comment_118165802

I'm trying not to get my hopes up, personally.

I'd love Harris to step up to the mark and uncover the corruption but I'm not holding my breath.

He definitely has more chance of doing that than previous commissioners, simply due to the fact he's not from a garda background and already entangled with the endemic filth. Who knows though?

15-11-2021 10:59am

Harris should just fly Ted over and be done with it 👌

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 12:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165802#Comment_118165802

I dont think Drew Harris is going to be able to do much in fairness. He pretty much has two hands tied behind his back with regard to rooting out gross incompetence & serious corruption if the investigating body (GSOC) don't have any real powers & rely on the co-operation of the gards themselves amongst other things. How often do we see gards face consequences for their actions in relation to gross incompetence or corruption? Close to never.

Im encouraged in recent times by some of the arrests made of gards & former gards with regard to gross abuse of power & corruption under Harris's reign. I believe he's doing his best to try & root out the corruption that exists currently & I'd imagine theres more than a few nervous gards around. The truth is though, he needs more support from the likes of GSOC & the department of Justice. GSOC either needs to be disbanded or completely reformed with much stronger investigative powers. Is the political appetite there?? I dont think it is under the current government but who knows.

As far as this case is concerned, I dont really believe there's much he can do as people with knowledge of what happened simply wont come forward for one reason or another. Maybe they dont want to damage their own family or a close friend, maybe they don't want to be implicated in the crime themselves, maybe they don't want to be charged with perverting the course of justice. All the relevant & key evidence has been destroyed so most of that can't even be tested again. The only way the case could be solved now would be somebodies conscious getting the better of them in my opinion.

I dont know about any of ye but even if a family member of mine or a close friend committed this horrific murder, I'd like to think I wouldn't give it a second thought about coming forward. I'm not from West Cork though I guess, strange bunch down there to put it mildly although I'm sure their not all whackjobs.

15-11-2021 1:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118165740#Comment_118165740

you can't just "go in" on a tribunal

15-11-2021 1:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168857#Comment_118168857

I think it has to come down to simple fear.... They know the gardai can make their lives hell if they start exposing corruption. Like you say, it's because there's no oversight.

15-11-2021 1:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168928#Comment_118168928

Wasn't my words. It was the words of someone involved in the Morris tribunal. I just repeated it.

I've no idea how these things work tbh

15-11-2021 1:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168939#Comment_118168939

you posted it. do you normally post other's views without saying there are others? There are very specific law around tribunals, you cannot just waltz it or decide to join in to it

I've no idea how these things work tbh

obviously

15-11-2021 1:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118169064#Comment_118169064

That sentence doesn't make sense.

I read it from somebody involved to the extent that I presume they know what they're talking about.

You can't just bugger off can you? 🤣

15-11-2021 4:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118169064#Comment_118169064

It was around the same time as the murder so not irrelevant.

15-11-2021 4:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170046#Comment_118170046

but you cannot just team up in a tribunal. When you posted it you posted it as if it was your comment. If one is quoting someone else it is usual to say so. Telling someone to bugger off because they point this out shows you are not the intrepid sleuth you claim to be.

15-11-2021 4:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170208#Comment_118170208

I've never claimed any such thing, as I've told you multiple times now.

I told you to bugger off because you continually hound me. It's not acceptable. If you don't like my comments just scroll on by, and I'll put you back on ignore so I don't have to see yours either.

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 4:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170208#Comment_118170208

Their telling you to bugger off because you're hounding them & commenting on every post they make. Why dont you jog on and get a life instead of focusing on continually attacking one poster who at least contributed more to the thread than you ever did.

You're an absolute joke, continually going on about your sources without revealing anything really or who they are but attacking posters who dont reveal theirs. You know as much as the rest of us do, absolute bluffer.

Find another thread to sabotage and if you want to continue this conversation by pm with me, please feel free to do so.

15-11-2021 5:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170332#Comment_118170332

Thanks Jim.

I've asked them repeatedly to stop too, my bad for responding back I guess!

I don't think anyone should be forced to reveal their sources to be honest. Folk can decide wether they believe what's said or not, no source is ever 100% reliable anyway. Journalists typically don't name their sources so I've no idea why people on here are being held to a higher ransom. You are right, it's hypocritical to expect me to reveal my sources when they won't either.

flanna01 · 15-11-2021 5:30pm

Since when is this thread only open to academics and scholars?

My understanding of this and every other forum, is that the ordinary member of the public, can contribute and learn more about the thread topic?

The majority of us are not in the legal profession, so cannot deem what the Tribunal protocols are with absolute certainty. But we can learn from others who have a better understanding of such events.

Nobody on here knows exactly what occurred on the night of the murder. We have fragmented bits and pieces of hearsay that we attempt to sew together and make sense out of.. Nothing more.

Every post I have contributed to this forum is basically second hand information.. Something I heard, something I read, something somebody else remarked upon.. So what? I wasn't there the night of the murder, so can only rely on others hearsay.

I have been corrected several times by more informed people on this thread, I have no bother being enlightened and made aware of my errors. (As long as it's in a civilised manner - Like I said, I wasn't there on the night)

To throw in unnecessary personal jibes is a failing on the posters behalf.

Think before posting.

15-11-2021 5:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170332#Comment_118170332

do a moonie i told you before, do what you told moonie and keep out of my posts. i do not want to enage with you and your"gards" rubbish

my comment was not to you not your business any futher input ignored "gards"

why would i pm to you, have you some threat you dont want to put online.? or maybe call me a pos like you did moonie. what's a pos is that how you abuse people

get lost you think you are some authority here. not over me

ou're an absolute joke, continually going on about your sources without revealing anything really or who they are but attacking posters who dont reveal theirs. You know as much as the rest of us do, absolute bluffer.

you do not know what i know and i won't be boasting about it online and claiming to be a sleuth. all you know is it's all the "gards" fault

15-11-2021 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170278#Comment_118170278

yes you do claim to be internet sleuth with 'sources'. You posted nonsense re morris tribunal that IB could join with it. When it was pointed out you are wrong you said you are posting someone else's opinion. You did not say that. you posted it as your own opinion . Derailing this thread with nonsense like a tribunal is something you can go to like the pub

chooseusername · 15-11-2021 5:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170564#Comment_118170564

SoulWriter is heading for another meltdown!

best ignored.

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 5:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170564#Comment_118170564

I asked you to pm me because I dont want you or me to derail what has been a very good thread overall. The rest of your post doesnt even make sense. Moonie? do what I told Moonie to do? For someone who is very quick to criticize and attack other posters, you're own posts are far from perfect themselves. Maybe start off with improving your grammar so we can actually understand you.

15-11-2021 5:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170594#Comment_118170594

thats what you do when you have no answers, make fun. Anyone who posts something and then says it was not their opinion and then compares themselves with a journalist is a joke

15-11-2021 5:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170589#Comment_118170589

No I have not. You seriously need to stop this nonsense or the big modmins will likely step in.

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170618#Comment_118170618

Im not making fun, its merely stating fact, its hard to understand what you're trying to say. If you dont like scoobysnas posts, simply ignore them, there's no need to hound and continually try to belittle them. They have made a couple of interesting contributions to the thread. I don't remember you doing so. Its easy to sit back and criticize those who are making genuine contributions to the thread. No one is an expert here.

If you're going to give it, be prepared to take it.

15-11-2021 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170605#Comment_118170605

Moonie? do what I told Moonie to do?

you told moonie to stay out of your posts and responses and called him pos which is quite abusive. I'm surprised the mods missed that

your posts are 99% "gards" rants. you obviously have some personal issue with the gardai and are 100 percent bailey backer. you are not capable of being objective with your garda hatred

I am not pro or anti bailey. i do not know who killed her. But i do know something i wont put here.And if someone accessed the file for me i would not be stupid enough to say so on a public forum where it has ben taken great notice of. I am not a grda fan, many are thugs, but do not completely hate them either. I can be objective

and i do not want to pm you or discuss it with you. you are not objective because you obviously hate the "gards"

you're own posts are far from perfect themselves. Maybe start off with improving your grammar so we can actually understand you.

It is quite plain what i said to scooby. He said IB could have joined with the morris tribunal. i pointed out you cannot choose to join a tribunal. he then said it was not his opinion but something someone else said. he did not post it as something someone else said. So it was legitamite to challenge.When this was pointed out he told me bugger off, his only response when someone disagrees with him is to insult or to run off and hide as the thread shows

you're own posts are far from perfect themselves

ignore them then. i will return the compliment

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 6:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170671#Comment_118170671

I told moonie to stay out of my posts because we had both agreed to ignore each other and then he/she started commenting on my posts again after that. I was happy to ignore their mantra of "Bailey must have done it because of domestic violence issues with jules" but they couldnt stop commenting on my posts.

My posts are not gard rants, I'm critical of the gards and rightly so in this case & the lack of accountability in the investigation. They messed up and more than likely covered up one of the most high profile murders in Ireland's history.

Again, I said to pm if you have an issue with me because I don't want to derail this thread with petty squabbling.

I'm happy to ignore your posts, why dont you take your own advise and ignore mine & maybe scoobysnas too since nearly every post you make is an attempt at belittling them & undermining them.

15-11-2021 6:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170708#Comment_118170708

This is it. Why pick up minor points on someone's post to argue about when we could be discussing the case? It's pathetic.

Especially from someone who writes nonsensical posts with bad grammar.

Let's hope they do ignore us.

saabsaab · 15-11-2021 6:45pm

Saw a few articles online re developing latent printsi.ie. prints not visible using standard fingerprinting methods. I wonder has this been done on anything available. Interesting that fingerprints can survive rain or even underwater for a time.

15-11-2021 7:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170618#Comment_118170618

I did not compare myself with a journalist, I used that as an example when talking about anonymous sources.

You continually mock me and I'm sick of it.

Now please leave me alone.

15-11-2021 7:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170853#Comment_118170853

my post should be understandable to anyone who thinks they can solve a murder. I do not make a comment and 'forget' it was actually someone else who said it

15-11-2021 7:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171129#Comment_118171129

I didn't forget.

I didnt state it the first time.

It's not rocket science.

15-11-2021 7:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118170708#Comment_118170708

your comments are completely anti garda rants and anti GSOC rants. Also you are 100% pro bailey. You are the polar opposite as the gardai wer e with bailey. And if you cannot see that you are completely lacking in self awareness too. now do a moonie

15-11-2021 7:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171042#Comment_118171042

i did not mock you i challenged your comments . that is what this discussion is for.

i said you should not be talking about getting information from the files. People gave personal information to the garda in the investigation and that is confidential garda information. i know of one who is not very happy to have someone who is not garda given access to it and then go in a public forum talking about this access.

people are entitled to reply to your posts here, especially in such a serious issue as having access to a murder file.

you are free to place the poster on ignore

15-11-2021 7:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171137#Comment_118171137

Are people not allowed to be pro Bailey? Or do you only tolerate strong views if they align with yours?

Jim has made articulate and intelligent points about the behaviour of the gardai throughout this thread. It's not opinion or speculation, it's fact. It doesn't make him anti gard as such, but in this particular case they have behaved abhorrently and got away with it.

Even if he is generally anti gard, so what? People are entitled to their opinions. I'm an anarchist.

Suck it up.

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 7:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171137#Comment_118171137

I'm not 100% pro bailey, I understand he's not a very likeable individual. I doubt I would even like him myself, breaking out into poems every hour or so, I think id find that hard to stomach. He is entitled to the presumption of innocence though, something that has been robbed from him by corrupt gards & an ineffective garda regulatory authority.

Yes, I want a proper investigatory body over the gards. Its something that should exist in any proper well meaning democracy. The consequences of not having one are quite serious as this case has highlighted. Do you think GSOC are fit for purpose? Do you think the gards acted honorably & without maliciousness in the investigation of this case? Do you not think there is a problem with garda corruption in this country given the numerous cases we have heard about including one where they tried to ruin a whistle blowers life by painting him as a pedophile?

15-11-2021 7:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171168#Comment_118171168

I have not at any point said I have access to the garda file. I do not.

I think I verified I heard a couple of things down the pub.

And it could be utter shite.

Now jog on

15-11-2021 7:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171184#Comment_118171184

he is allowed to be pro bailey but in terms of solving the case being totally pro or anti any one or any group won't help

Even if he is generally anti gard, so what?People are entitled to their opinions.

bad attitude to solving amurder. Need to be objective. The garda were anti bailey and look what happened

Jim has made articulate and intelligent points about the behaviour of the gardai throughout this thread.

most of his reference to garda/GSOC is totally against them. Some of the garda behaved very badly, not all garda

15-11-2021 7:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171209#Comment_118171209

"solving the case"

Dya think the boards squad are going to solve it 🤣

15-11-2021 7:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171222#Comment_118171222

not if they take a completely for or against closed mind position against any person or organisation.

15-11-2021 8:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171232#Comment_118171232

I imagine most of us do have an open mind with this case, but we've come to learn of the vast garda malpractice and corruption involved and have swayed more in one direction.

I believe Ian is innocent, but that doesn't make me pro Bailey either, at least not in the way that people in this thread like to insinuate. He hasn't helped himself whatsoever over the last 25 years, enjoys playing people, is impulsive and difficult to work with by all accounts, and tends to do the exact opposite of what people advise him to.

His personality is irrelevant tho. He is an innocent man in this country and has been treated as if he's guilty for 25 years. This makes some of us understandably indignant, because the issues that caused this are still powerfully at play.

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 8:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171232#Comment_118171232

The only people that come across as having a closed mind on this case are the ones that continually try to paint Bailey as the murderer even though there isn't a shred of hard evidence against him and the circumstantial evidence against him is flimsy at best. The DPP at the time agrees with this point of view. Its a valid point of view because the serving DPP at the time is the only person who would have had access to all the garda files, who would have had experience of these type of cases previously & would ultimately know whether this was a case worth taking to court or not.

Instead he comes out with severe criticism of the case & the manner of the gards investigation. This is in spite of severe political & local pressure put on him. Now, people who are critical of the gards & believe Bailey didnt murder her have this to back this up. What do you have? apart from a kangaroo court in France where funnily enough none of the investigating gards were willing to attend. Not surprising because Im sure they know the consequences of perjury.

I think the senior gard theory in the locality is the most likely because it would explain alot of things about the investigation. Disposal & losing of key pieces of evidence (why not hang onto them rather than disposing of them), the complete lack of any forensic evidence at the scene, the silence in the community (out of fear of the gards most likely), the bribery of witnesses, the removal of pages from the evidence book, the intimidation of witnesses (Marie Farrell is terrified of the gards nowadays, not bailey), the list goes on & on. And im sure theres more we dont know about because of this cover-up.

In spite of all this, Im not 100% convinced it was a gard, it may have been a lover from france or ireland, it may have been a young local hornbag who fancied his chances, it might have been her husbands desire to remove her from his life, maybe Leo Bolger or Alfie Lyons who had a drug operation close to her. Im not ruling out anything so dont accuse me of solely focusing on the gards theory & being a closed mind. Ill leave that to you & moonie

15-11-2021 8:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171325#Comment_118171325

Im not ruling out anything so dont accuse me of solely focusing on the gards theory & being a closed mind. Ill leave that to you & moonie

obviously you didn't read what i wrote or you would know i do not have a closed mind or believe garda theory. so you are wrong to put me with moonie. you do have a serious anti garda stance though

jimwallace197 · 15-11-2021 8:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171433#Comment_118171433

Anyone who doesnt have a serious anti garda stance after properly looking at this case, I'd be questioning their judgement. What more do they need to do before people doubt them? Not one of them was reprimanded or disciplined after their outrageous behavior. Seriously? Do you think that's an acceptable way for a country's police force to act. Bribing locals with money & drugs from the evidence room in an attempt to get Bailey to confess, threatening Marie Farrell, hounding Bailey & Jules Thomas. I sincerely hope you don't experience the long arm of the state or maybe if you did, you might open your eyes

15-11-2021 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171471#Comment_118171471

It baffles me how people actually try and explain this behaviour away. The DPP report was damning for a reason and contained information we haven't seen. Yet people still criticise it.

Garda corruption was rife in the 90s. There's multiple examples of this. It's still rife now but I imagine the increase in technology has curbed it to a certain extent. Or maybe it's made it easier, like gardai ingratiating themselves on threads like these and making thinly vieled threats to people.

15-11-2021 11:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171471#Comment_118171471

Anyone who doesnt have a serious anti garda stance after properly looking at this case

now you admit it

goodbye

TheW1zard · 15-11-2021 11:38pm

It's like reading the journal comments lads

15-11-2021 11:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172227#Comment_118172227

What is there to admit?? He's stating facts. They are glaring. This case reeks of garda corruption, and we certainly aren't the first to point it out.

The similarities between this case and the donegal one, 2 months before, are startling.

I've no idea why it's so hard to accept garda corruption, honestly. It's bloody obvious.

15-11-2021 11:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172376#Comment_118172376

Log on to read the latest on the Murder at the Cottage thread

Find 2 pages of three lads waving their dicks at each other

Log off

15-11-2021 11:44pm

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15-11-2021 11:59pm

In my opinion none of you three ever brought anything worth arguing about to the thread.

But that's just my opinion.

16-11-2021 12:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172508#Comment_118172508

Who exactly

MrMischief · 16-11-2021 1:02pm

Any local knowledge on this query?

So Sophie's house was been broken into and evidence to say that the bath had been used?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/locks-were-changed-after-intruder-at-du-plantier-house-said-housekeeper-30242061.html

Changing of the locks seemed to prevent any further break-ins which would suggest that either the perpetrator's 'spare keys' no longer worked or they realised it was to risky to continue to 'break in' via the porch window.

It seems the purpose of the break-in was to use the facilities (not to mention snoop). So was it ever confirmed if any of the neighbours did not have their own bath and if so was it operational at the time?

Lastly, did the Gardai ever indicate why they initially thought it was a hit and run and how they eliminated that line of enquiry? Only car on the scene was allowed to be used later that day for a trip to the dump etc so It couldn't have been ruled out that quickly?

odyssey06 · 16-11-2021 1:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118174223#Comment_118174223

It was discussed earlier in the thread - I think it happened several years before the murder though, so hard to see it tying into it?

Also the article mentions a window left open, it may not necessarily have been changing the keys that stopped whoever it was, but ensuring they were closed.

There was talk of a local hobo who would use holiday homes when owners away & of alcohol being taken from drinks cabinets in holiday homes.

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