Murder at the Cottage | Sky

CorkGunJonny

Anyone know what channel it's on? The jim sheridan documentary about sophie toscan du plantier

Atlantic Dawn

Sky, no release date...
https://www.independent.ie/videos/sky-release-short-teaser-for-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-documentary-40333470.html

FrankN1

It's says Sky Crime are releasing it today but can't see it...

Gal44

Meant to be on Sunday night the 9th may, I still can’t find it though. Wonder why it wasn’t on…

FrankN1

Still no sign of this...

set to bring up 3 non-Ian-Bailey people as persons of interest

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/new-sky-crime-doc-murdered-20441527

plenty of scope there for legal threats and/or challenges I suppose

JP Liz V1

Bailey wants the case reopened here

Is it on Netflix?

robwen

https://twitter.com/SkyIreland/status/1395330584583581697?s=19

Brock Turnpike

robwen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkyIreland/status/1395330584583581697?s=19

There must be a lot of legal reviewing of the content going on.

upupup

Netflix are also releasing a documentary series on the murder.This series was made with the blessing of the du Plantier family so i think we are going to see different stories.Bailey "didn't do it" and Bailey "did it"
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-40293017.html

gmisk

upupup wrote: »

Netflix are also releasing a documentary series on the murder.This series was made with the blessing of the du Plantier family so i think we are going to see different stories.Bailey "didn't do it" and Bailey "did it"
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-40293017.html

Is it possible a legal challenge between the two productions?
I know Louis theroux was basically not allowed to interview hardly anyone related to Joe Exotic in his recent revisited doc due to Netflix having everyone in seriously tight contracts

robwen

https://twitter.com/SkyIreland/status/1396471397338206209?s=19

whatawaster81

See this will air Sunday week with all episodes available. Looking forward to it. Trailer doesn't give much away
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/true-crime/murder-at-the-cottage-release-date/

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/SkyIreland/status/1400718495873220610

Hangdogroad

Not a good sign.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/toscan-du-plantier-family-have-interviews-wiped-from-jim-sheridan-series-1.4597241

notahappycamper

Are Netflix doing a separate documentary on this case?

Mantis Toboggan

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Not a good sign.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/toscan-du-plantier-family-have-interviews-wiped-from-jim-sheridan-series-1.4597241

That's ridiculous

am_zarathustra

Yeah, Murder in West Cork I think, due out the end of the month.

upupup

Its available to watch now on sky.

Marcusm

Not great at all; some insight into the character of Bailey, poignant scenes with the son at the cottage but overall little in the way of analysis. Sheridan spent too much time on camera, it’s not his forte. His scene-setting in the first 10 minutes was difficult to endure. And yes, I have watched all episodes despite the beautiful day outside.

Gator

Found it quite good tbh, wasnt really old enough to take it in fully at the time and you kinda get soundbytes over the years. Its good to have the bones of it on screen i think, must listen to that podcast

gmisk

Only one episode in, I know the basics of the story, but seems well made so far.
The focus on Jim Sheridan and how he feels about the case is a bit odd.
Fairly gripping all the same.

notahappycamper

Mr.S wrote: »

I thought the family has their interviews removed, but they are all in it?

I thought that too but note the interviews with her parents say “Archived interview”. So, maybe there were more recent interviews for this documentary?

am_zarathustra

Mr.S wrote: »

I thought the family has their interviews removed, but they are all in it?

Confused myself. Didn't think it was that explosive but well made. I'd hoped for more about the gsoc investigation and the discrepancies in the case files. Maybe the Netflix one will have a different slant

Addle

If you’ve listened to the podcast, there’s nothing new in it, so it’s disappointing.
Sheridan likes to be in front of the camera as much as Bailey. He’s not a natural presenter/documentarian.
I’d recommend the West Cork podcast over it.

Mantis Toboggan

When's the Netflix doc out?

am_zarathustra

30th of June I think!

deisedude

Mr.S wrote: »

I thought the family has their interviews removed, but they are all in it?

The family were interviewed for the series but they felt the documentary was too sympathetic to Bailey and asked that all their interviews be removed so the filmmakers could only use archived footage from interviews in the past

Mantis Toboggan

Enjoyed the first episode, gave a good idea of the isolation of where the murder happened and hinted at the incompetence of the Gardai, the fact they left her there on the road for a second night is ludicrous.

Sadb

I thought it was good. Maybe a bit too Ian Bailey centric but good insight into his personality.

I suppose there is nothing new to be learned about the case. There isn’t any new evidence that can be magicked up. The only thing that can solve it now is an actual confession.

That Marie Farrell seems completely cracked. When I heard the description of the man with a beret I thought they must be joking. I don’t believe a single thing she said and obviously just wanted to insert herself into the investigation.

Also what was the whole thing about “Fiona”? she rings first from a phone box somewhere and then rings from her house so they were able to trace the number. Now she says the guards told her to say those things but why were they appealing for “Fiona” to come forward so?!

I told ya

Watched about 35 minutes of E1.

Couldn't believe the Guard from the Technical Bureau say that when they arrived in W Cork, the local Garda Station was closed for the night and they did not have a mobile phone. Whatever about not having an official mobile phone, I would be amassed if at least one of them did not have a personal mobile.

Also, left Dublin at 3.30pm and arrived in W Cork at 10pm. Yes. I accept 23 December traffic and no M7/M8, Jack Lynch Tunnel etc but effectively, a day wasted. Could they not have used a bit of top brass pressure/back channels and get the Aer Corps to helicopter some of them there with basic equipment.

Looks v poor from the outside, IMO for what it's worth.

notahappycamper

Yes, very poor that a day was wasted. This was a murder and the State Pathologist should have got his ass down there asap either by helicopter or Garda escort noting time was of the essence and the time of year. It was 1996, not 1896. The truth will never be known unless there is a confession at this stage.

Deeec

Addle wrote: »

If you’ve listened to the podcast, there’s nothing new in it, so it’s disappointing.
Sheridan likes to be in front of the camera as much as Bailey. He’s not a natural presenter/documentarian.
I’d recommend the West Cork podcast over it.

I agree West Cork podcast is excellent. Only thing I got out of the sky documentary was visual regarding the location etc. I didnt realise that there was another house so close to Sophies house.

Its a very strange case. I find it odd that she was there at christmas. Its a very remote and desolate location in winter. The explanation of the heating not working didnt make sense. Why would she need to be there to get the heating fixed? Why go stay in a house where the heating is not working in the depths of winter?

Bailey is a nutter but I dont think he done it. My theory is the answer to who murdered Sophie lies in France. I think she was targeted.

I told ya

notahappycamper wrote: »

Yes, very poor that a day was wasted. This was a murder and the State Pathologist should have got his ass down there asap either by helicopter or Garda escort noting time was of the essence and the time of year. It was 1996, not 1896. The truth will never be known unless there is a confession at this stage.

From what I recall at the time, from reading various articles, there was no official State Pathologist, laboratory, support staff, etc. Prof Harbison was on a retainer to act when requested by An GS. This may be clarified in the series or in some article.

shivermetimber

The amount of shenanigans by the guards is the most suspicious of all.

Delay with getting state pathologist to scene
Lack of evidence gathering and follow up on credible leads
Intimidation and coercion (Marie Farrell statements)
Bribery and fabrication (Leo Bolger and Martin Graham).
Fear mongering (telling locals we know he did it and will kill again)
Leaking of case info to press (evident in civil action)
Illegal recording of calls (bandon scandal / fennelly commission)
Loss of major evidence (eg the iron gate)
Loss of witness statements and suspect files.

corcaigh07

Haven't seen the last episode yet but the West Cork podcast is one of the best ever, this show was never going to compare.

Ian Bailey is the biggest narcissist but Jim Sheridan runs him close!

notahappycamper

I told ya wrote: »

From what I recall at the time, from reading various articles, there was no official State Pathologist, laboratory, support staff, etc. Prof Harbison was on a retainer to act when requested by An GS. This may be clarified in the series or in some article.

He was the first State Pathologist in 1974. I believe (as per the FAQ on the State Pathologist website) in all cases that the Gardai inform the coroner and then the coroner requests the State Pathologist to perform a post mortem to determine the cause of death. It has been said that the scene was not properly preserved and the local Garda walked all over it. Bailey was known to have a violent history with women. Whether he did it or not will never be known.

Sadb

I told ya wrote: »

Watched about 35 minutes of E1.

Couldn't believe the Guard from the Technical Bureau say that when they arrived in W Cork, the local Garda Station was closed for the night and they did not have a mobile phone. Whatever about not having an official mobile phone, I would be amassed if at least one of them did not have a personal mobile.

Also, left Dublin at 3.30pm and arrived in W Cork at 10pm. Yes. I accept 23 December traffic and no M7/M8, Jack Lynch Tunnel etc but effectively, a day wasted. Could they not have used a bit of top brass pressure/back channels and get the Aer Corps to helicopter some of them there with basic equipment.

Looks v poor from the outside, IMO for what it's worth.

In 1996?? I would doubt it. I didn’t know a single person that had a mobile phone in 1996. The fact that the first person called to the scene was a priest should tell you how far we’ve come since then!

am_zarathustra

It's also took 6 hours to call murder squad down so they ended up in Christmas traffic after work. 6 hours is a long time to make a standard phonecall, no regional guards investigated murders of this type and the reasons for that are obvious from this investigation.

The missing job books and the tampered ones are very telling, not everyone would have access to them, they are unbelievably important in an investigation. I know guards retired who still keep rough copies and their private notes in case something ever comes back up (not strictly allowed I think but hard to destroy them too if the case is ongoing and your invested). It's interesting comparing this to the work done on the TG4 show Marú inár Measc, I was watching the Phyllis Murphy episode and the guards work on that was impeccable, 17 years before west cork and they had preserved DNA, chain of custody, all the notes, a real determination to get to the facts in the case and bring justice for the family........what happened in Schull wasn't the standard by any stretch, the GSOC investigation should have been a lot more damning

Pintman Paddy Losty

Hi I watched the first two episodes on Sky Crime last night, how has everyone seen the whole series? Is there another way to watch it?

am_zarathustra

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Hi I watched the first two episodes on Sky Crime last night, how has everyone seen the whole series? Is there another way to watch it?

They are all up on the Nowtv app!

CorkGunJonny

Hi all. I saw the first two episodes on sky crime last night. When are the other episodes to be aired? Thanks

Deeec

CorkGunJonny wrote: »

Hi all. I saw the first two episodes on sky crime last night. When are the other episodes to be aired? Thanks

They are available for download on sky.

I told ya

Sadb wrote: »

In 1996?? I would doubt it. I didn’t know a single person that had a mobile phone in 1996. The fact that the first person called to the scene was a priest should tell you how far we’ve come since then!

They were around Dublin in the late eighties. Granted, big awkward things, poor battery life and poor reception. Technology moves very fast. I had a mobile phone in 1992, a Motorolla brick but worked ok. By 1996 they were planning move to GSM phones with the 088 being phased out. Mobile phones were all the rage back then. Remember Denis O'Brien and ESAT.

adrian522

Sadb wrote: »

In 1996?? I would doubt it. I didn’t know a single person that had a mobile phone in 1996. The fact that the first person called to the scene was a priest should tell you how far we’ve come since then!

Yeah, in 1996 they were still on 088 numbers, GSM hadn't been rolled out yet, prepaid contracts didn't exist yet so I wouldn't doubt that no one involved had access to a mobile phone at that time.



It still took an unacceptably long time though.

gmisk

Sadb wrote: »

In 1996?? I would doubt it. I didn’t know a single person that had a mobile phone in 1996. The fact that the first person called to the scene was a priest should tell you how far we’ve come since then!

I was 15....and I had a mobile in 1996.
This was in NI though.

Would agree about the priest!

I told ya

The bit about the priest is strange.

You would have to assume that even the basic training in Templemore would have covered this. Respond to a call, arrive at the scene, a dead body with obvious injuries = call HQ immediately. Surely a half decent Sgt or Insp on the other end of the phone/radio would be able to issue orders, eg keep everyone away, keep the scene secure, don't give out any information, etc.

patobrien12

Nothing new really comes out which was a bit disappointing. Hopefully, Netflix tries to find new evidence. Would it not be worth testing the forensics again after all there has been a vast improvement in DNA since 1996.

silver2020

Sadb wrote: »

In 1996?? I would doubt it. I didn’t know a single person that had a mobile phone in 1996. The fact that the first person called to the scene was a priest should tell you how far we’ve come since then!

Huge numbers had mobiles in 1996, but coverage in rural parts was dreadful, so unlikely many in Schull would have had them.

A priest would still be the first person called in many rural areas today if someone was found dead.

Surprised that senior detectives did not have a mobile. But it would not have been much use in there anyway.


On the program itself, the gardai do not come out in a good light and that's based on what the gardai themselves were saying. They had made their minds up that the scratches on Bailey were from brambles and nothing would sway them from that - and irrational assumption which was only the start of a horrifically incompetent investigation.

They made their minds up and went and tried to find ways of making any evidence match their misconstrued thought process and steered witnesses into giving the answers that suited. Many years later their utter incompetence / corruption was shown by the GSOC investigation

Creamy Goodness

the only evidence of the scratches on Ian's hands being a crude drawing - even for 1996 - it's completely laughable.

have watched 4/5 episodes and nothing really new so far if you've listened to West Cork but definitely a little more one-sided in comparison.

am_zarathustra

Has anyone read the book by Foster, Murder at Roaringwater.....half tempted to buy it but he seems to have made his mind up regardless.